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Can we differentiate between firing Damore and participating in a nation-wide metaphorical public hanging?

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Can we differentiate between firing Damore and participating in a nation-wide metaphorical public hanging? Yes. Starting with the first is a thing that actually happened, and the second is not, so it's not worth talking about.
- Consultant32452 9y ago
  I'm sorry, but some random nobody at Google having some wrong ideas about diversity policy does not deserve to be national front page news. James Damore is about as meek and mild as it gets. He's not some David Duke monster. None of us should have ever heard his name. This was a public assassination of a powerless nobody for cheap political points. That's the part that I have a problem with. I have no problem at all with Google firing him. I have a problem with the way the national media and general public behaved.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > I'm sorry, but some random nobody at Google having some wrong ideas about diversity policy does not deserve to be national front page news. Claims of anti-white-male discrimination in tech are man-bites-dog stories, and naturally get more attention for that reason, plus, Damore immediately sought out media with political biases to maximally promote that kind of story. It becoming national front page news and getting the degree of attention it did in part just novelty, and in very large part the foreseeable result of how Damore soguht to promote his story. > This was a public assassination No, it wasn't. It was public, but there was no assassination.
    - Consultant32452 9y ago
      >Damore immediately sought out media with political biases to maximally promote that kind of story Was this before or after he'd already made national headlines for having written an "anti-diversity manifesto?"
    - stcredzero 9y ago
      No, it wasn't. It was public, but there was no assassination. It sure looked like an intellectually dishonest, ideologically fervent character assassination to me.
      - itronitron 9y ago
        can you elaborate on what you mean by intellectually dishonest?
        ShannonAlther 9y ago
        Amongst other things, the original publication of the memo by Gizmodo stripped it of all the charts, citations and references Damore included.
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  - ThrowAwayFSp 9y ago
    Anyone daring to oppose the current sacred beliefs makes the news. Part of it is how SJWs react. The memo was rational, the response: emotional. The same thing happened with J.B.Peterson, but he has tenure, and that's what tenure is for, to be able to be heretic.
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    This was a public assassination of a powerless nobody for cheap political points. That's the part that I have a problem with. This willingness to "un-person" someone for reasons of ideological fervor -- this is precisely why I, as a liberal, feel so alienated from so much of the far-left politics going around nowadays. I've personally been a target of such things. (I can't discuss it, but I can say that it was not gender based.) It's such attitudes and the unreasonable fury behind them which most worries me.
    - Consultant32452 9y ago
      As a conservative I share your feeling of alienation, because look at how the right has responded. It's given us Trump which is really gross. I fear we're in a very precarious position both culturally and politically and I wish I had some insight into how to move back towards a place where we can have rational intelligent discussions again. For the meantime I think we'll all be relegated to the "intellectual dark web," a phrase coined by I believe Eric Weinstein, the left-leaning professor who had to resign out of fear for his life after refusing to stay home during "no whites" day at Evergreen college.
      - stcredzero 9y ago
        Actually, that was Bret. Eric is his brother.
- monkeywork 9y ago
  If you don't think that the social media / internet whipping that Damore and frankly anyone else that steps outside of several key echo chambers gets isn't real then I strongly doubt how good of faith you are in this conversation.

> Can we differentiate between firing Damore and participating in a nation-wide metaphorical public hanging? Yes. Starting with the first is a thing that actually happened, and the second is not, so it's not worth talking about.

Consultant32452 9y ago
I'm sorry, but some random nobody at Google having some wrong ideas about diversity policy does not deserve to be national front page news. James Damore is about as meek and mild as it gets. He's not some David Duke monster. None of us should have ever heard his name. This was a public assassination of a powerless nobody for cheap political points. That's the part that I have a problem with. I have no problem at all with Google firing him. I have a problem with the way the national media and general public behaved.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > I'm sorry, but some random nobody at Google having some wrong ideas about diversity policy does not deserve to be national front page news. Claims of anti-white-male discrimination in tech are man-bites-dog stories, and naturally get more attention for that reason, plus, Damore immediately sought out media with political biases to maximally promote that kind of story. It becoming national front page news and getting the degree of attention it did in part just novelty, and in very large part the foreseeable result of how Damore soguht to promote his story. > This was a public assassination No, it wasn't. It was public, but there was no assassination.
  - Consultant32452 9y ago
    >Damore immediately sought out media with political biases to maximally promote that kind of story Was this before or after he'd already made national headlines for having written an "anti-diversity manifesto?"
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    No, it wasn't. It was public, but there was no assassination. It sure looked like an intellectually dishonest, ideologically fervent character assassination to me.
    - itronitron 9y ago
      can you elaborate on what you mean by intellectually dishonest?
      - ShannonAlther 9y ago
        Amongst other things, the original publication of the memo by Gizmodo stripped it of all the charts, citations and references Damore included.
      - deleted 9y ago
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- ThrowAwayFSp 9y ago
  Anyone daring to oppose the current sacred beliefs makes the news. Part of it is how SJWs react. The memo was rational, the response: emotional. The same thing happened with J.B.Peterson, but he has tenure, and that's what tenure is for, to be able to be heretic.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  This was a public assassination of a powerless nobody for cheap political points. That's the part that I have a problem with. This willingness to "un-person" someone for reasons of ideological fervor -- this is precisely why I, as a liberal, feel so alienated from so much of the far-left politics going around nowadays. I've personally been a target of such things. (I can't discuss it, but I can say that it was not gender based.) It's such attitudes and the unreasonable fury behind them which most worries me.
  - Consultant32452 9y ago
    As a conservative I share your feeling of alienation, because look at how the right has responded. It's given us Trump which is really gross. I fear we're in a very precarious position both culturally and politically and I wish I had some insight into how to move back towards a place where we can have rational intelligent discussions again. For the meantime I think we'll all be relegated to the "intellectual dark web," a phrase coined by I believe Eric Weinstein, the left-leaning professor who had to resign out of fear for his life after refusing to stay home during "no whites" day at Evergreen college.
    - stcredzero 9y ago
      Actually, that was Bret. Eric is his brother.
monkeywork 9y ago
If you don't think that the social media / internet whipping that Damore and frankly anyone else that steps outside of several key echo chambers gets isn't real then I strongly doubt how good of faith you are in this conversation.