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We're not talking about children, we're talking about adults. Literate, tech savvy, affluent, college graduates. How would you imagine those folks educate them
by InclinedPlane 9y ago
We're not talking about children, we're talking about adults. Literate, tech savvy, affluent, college graduates.
How would you imagine those folks educate themselves? Easily, by relying on the abundant resources available to them. The internet, books, youtube, etc. There's a ton of material out there, if you actually care, if you think it's important to educate yourself the resources are available. He did not do that, because he wasn't seeking to inform himself, he was seeking to advance an agenda, to encourage others to adopt a prejudice that he held.
Also, I'm getting really sick and tired of these comments that bemoan the fates that have befallen these individuals who have substantially brought it upon themselves and give short shrift to the impact they've had on others. Damore was "merely asking questions" but the questions he was asking were things like "do women deserve to be the equals of men in this field?" and so forth. As both google management and the judge here have correctly pointed out, communicating in that way is incredibly damaging. It's unprofessional, it's discriminatory on its face, and it has no place in a modern work environment. The man is a grown-up, he should be smart enough to know how to broach a difficult subject of conversation if he is seeking to learn more about it or to explore controversial topics. Similarly, you can't just blunder into a discussion about race relations in the 21st century by leading off with questions like "are people of color equal to whites?" or "was slavery really wrong?" Because, again, those are on their face discriminatory, exclusionary, and harmful.
And to claim that Damore was in any way trying to advance the cause of diversity is just plain counter-factual. It is clear, especially after the end of his google employment, that he has a much different agenda.
- ThomPete 9y agoHis agenda was to make Google aware of some of the consequence of their diversity politics, something they themselves had asked for feedback on. He didn't ask whether women deserved to be equals and just the fact that you think that shows just how ignorant many commentators are in this case. If you actually are interested in hearing his version of the story, not just your own wrongly informed and biased one here is a good interview to provide you with some of the proper contexts. Then tell me what exactly it is that he has done wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NOSD0XK0r8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NOSD0XK0r8
- InclinedPlane 9y agoThis is laughable. You are either extraordinarily naive or you are trying to push your own agenda, possibly both.
- ThomPete 9y agoIf I am naive it should be perfectly easy to point to where I am wrong. I am not sure what agenda exactly you think I am pushing.
- InclinedPlane 9y agoIs this not you? https://twitter.com/Hello_World/status/956166173019836416 https://twitter.com/Hello_World/status/956166173019836416 https://twitter.com/Hello_World/status/928650370104152065 https://twitter.com/Hello_World/status/928650370104152065 https://twitter.com/Hello_World/status/867119704569237505 https://twitter.com/Hello_World/status/867119704569237505 If someone is parroting a Peter Thiel quote in November of 2017 it's pretty obvious what agenda they are pushing. You, and Damore and so many others, are trying to dress up the regressive status quo as if it's something new, something innovative, something disruptive. It's none of those things. It's boring, it's old, it hurts people, it demonstrably and measurably hurts productivity and innovation, it starves the industry of much needed talent. You are the hackneyed bad guy from a movie set in the 1960s. You're just a new kind of small minded bigot who wears sneakers and jeans and maybe a hoodie instead of cheap business suits with skinny ties. You're not interesting, you're just the nth iteration of a formula that's been around for generations, for too long. When you're gone the future will not mourn your absence from the industry.
- ThomPete 9y agoWhat is my agenda?
- stcredzero 9y agoIf someone is parroting a Peter Thiel quote in November of 2017 it's pretty obvious what agenda they are pushing. Whoa, association by identity proves agenda? Can you get anymore witch-hunt than that? (Or have any less intellectual honesty?) I didn't agree with Peter Thiel's position on Trump, and I met one of his "fellows" and was pretty unimpressed. But those 3 quotes are pretty astute in my opinion. They are also fairly innocuous. You, and Damore and so many others, are trying to dress up the regressive status quo... If you can't do any better than name-calling, you don't even deserve a response. In fact, if you think you are impressing anyone outside of your echo-chamber instead of doing the exact opposite, then I'm kind of embarrassed for you.
- hinkley 9y agoI think one has to factor in the fact that we are in an industry that lionizes people who spend every waking moment concentrating on their field of expertise and nothing else. Doubly so for Google. Not because “how can you find the time” is an excuse, but because it’s a symptom of the problem. We have an industry that enables people with no sense of perspective. It’s not just the outliers that need to ‘wake uo’. It’s on all of us.