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Also from your original comment: >This is a statement of women's choices, not their ability. Edit: Rather than reply, you now edited your comment to split ha

Also from your original comment: >This is a statement of women's choices, not their ability. Edit: Rather than reply, you now edited your comment to split hairs on distribution vs averages. That doesn't change the facts about Damore's argument about biological ability to be in tech is unfounded.

manfredo 9y ago
Hacker news wasn't letting me reply, so I put the classification in an edit. It didn't change the content of what I wrote, just added a clearer (I hope) phrasing. I have not once mentioned biology in this comment chain. I made my original comment to dispel the myth that Damore claimed that women have, on average, less intelligence than men. Whether you agree or disagree with the other claims made about biology is orthogonal to this statement.
- bduerst 9y ago
  You're right, you tried to reclassify what Damore said with this: >This is a statement of women's choices, not their ability. When his argument was about biological ability. Damore's paper is orthogonal from you're claiming it to be.
berberous 9y ago
The difference between distribution vs. averages is important. See the image linked to below. Damore is arguing the top half of the image. Many people mistakenly believe he is arguing the bottom half. Perhaps you believe the top half is unfounded too, but it's an important distinction. https://heterodoxacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Damore-population-figure.png https://heterodoxacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Damo...
- bduerst 9y ago
  Right. And what many have said is that there is not enough evidence in his to support the top half on his claim of biological abilities. Preferences, sure, but that can also be attributed to social constructs which he specifically tries to rule out. It's splitting hairs to make it about distribution when there isn't sufficient evidence to support a distribution in the first place.
  - berberous 9y ago
    Here is an article from Heterdox academy that attempted to do a metanalysis of studies to determine if Damore was correct in saying there are certain traits that men display a wider distribution on. They conclude he was. I have not personally looked at any of this data, nor vouch for it or Damore's or their conclusion. It could be wrong, either because the current best science is wrong or because the summary is unfair or inaccurate. My only point is that it appears to be a statement with some scientific support, not something that can easily be dismissed as false. http://heterodoxacademy.org/the-greater-male-variability-hypothesis/ http://heterodoxacademy.org/the-greater-male-variability-hyp...

manfredo 9y ago

Hacker news wasn't letting me reply, so I put the classification in an edit. It didn't change the content of what I wrote, just added a clearer (I hope) phrasing. I have not once mentioned biology in this comment chain. I made my original comment to dispel the myth that Damore claimed that women have, on average, less intelligence than men. Whether you agree or disagree with the other claims made about biology is orthogonal to this statement.

bduerst 9y ago
You're right, you tried to reclassify what Damore said with this: >This is a statement of women's choices, not their ability. When his argument was about biological ability. Damore's paper is orthogonal from you're claiming it to be.

berberous 9y ago

The difference between distribution vs. averages is important. See the image linked to below. Damore is arguing the top half of the image. Many people mistakenly believe he is arguing the bottom half. Perhaps you believe the top half is unfounded too, but it's an important distinction. https://heterodoxacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Damore-population-figure.png https://heterodoxacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Damo...

bduerst 9y ago
Right. And what many have said is that there is not enough evidence in his to support the top half on his claim of biological abilities. Preferences, sure, but that can also be attributed to social constructs which he specifically tries to rule out. It's splitting hairs to make it about distribution when there isn't sufficient evidence to support a distribution in the first place.
- berberous 9y ago
  Here is an article from Heterdox academy that attempted to do a metanalysis of studies to determine if Damore was correct in saying there are certain traits that men display a wider distribution on. They conclude he was. I have not personally looked at any of this data, nor vouch for it or Damore's or their conclusion. It could be wrong, either because the current best science is wrong or because the summary is unfair or inaccurate. My only point is that it appears to be a statement with some scientific support, not something that can easily be dismissed as false. http://heterodoxacademy.org/the-greater-male-variability-hypothesis/ http://heterodoxacademy.org/the-greater-male-variability-hyp...