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Flynn, a very high ranking administration member, plead guilty to lying to the FBI about his communication with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislak. This crime hap

Flynn, a very high ranking administration member, plead guilty to lying to the FBI about his communication with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislak. This crime happened while Trump was in office (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/01/flynn-3rd-national-security-adviser-charged-crimes-committed-white-house/912935001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/01/flyn...). Why would Flynn lie to the FBI about this if it was innocuous? Certainly, he knows the consequences. You would like us to assume a 4-star General lied to the FBI about communicating with a high-ranking Russian official, because reasons. The rest of us are combining this with information on Kushner trying to set up a Russian back-channel, Sessions lying about contacts with Kislyak, Manafort offering Deripaska campaign briefings, Trump literally asking the Russians to hack for him, Don Jr. meeting in Trump Tower, etc. People are speculating because the Mueller investigation is not leaking any information. The flip side is people acting like he has "nothing", meanwhile surprise indictments are flying and people are cutting deals. ==And now we have indictments for Russians doing the things we already knew they were doing== So, yesterday this "assumption" was valid, but any other assumptions based on the information we have are just wishful thinking. Logical pretzel.

gfodor 9y ago
I think by this point since you consider yourself a member of "the rest of us" it's plainly obvious you have a horse in this race and/or have a warped view of the ideaspace around what is going on with various investigations and inquiries happening across branches of the US government and agencies. I, personally, do not, and am not willing to speculate beyond about what has been revealed so far and the general prior that a sitting president will be impeached due to a conspiracy with the Russian government seems highly unlikely. So you've kind of validated my point. There are countless counter-narratives based upon similar speculation that are equally well grounded (ie, not much) than the ones that you've laid out here that counter your speculative point of view. Once you've digested the actual matters of fact that have been disclosed to the public in full (especially primary sources) then personally I think the most wise takeaway is to abandon most assumptions about information you are not privy to and generally just ground expectations in rough probabilities based on history and expect there to be large amounts of unexpected events to occur that you will be not able to predict. The narrative you've outlined here tells me you may be consuming information from within a filter bubble so I'd encourage you to try to break out of it. In short: people who are fantasizing about their political enemies going to jail should expect to be disappointed, and as I said, I expect this chapter in American history orbiting paranoia about Russian bots posting spam on Facebook to generally be lost and forgotten within an election cycle.

gfodor 9y ago

I think by this point since you consider yourself a member of "the rest of us" it's plainly obvious you have a horse in this race and/or have a warped view of the ideaspace around what is going on with various investigations and inquiries happening across branches of the US government and agencies. I, personally, do not, and am not willing to speculate beyond about what has been revealed so far and the general prior that a sitting president will be impeached due to a conspiracy with the Russian government seems highly unlikely. So you've kind of validated my point. There are countless counter-narratives based upon similar speculation that are equally well grounded (ie, not much) than the ones that you've laid out here that counter your speculative point of view. Once you've digested the actual matters of fact that have been disclosed to the public in full (especially primary sources) then personally I think the most wise takeaway is to abandon most assumptions about information you are not privy to and generally just ground expectations in rough probabilities based on history and expect there to be large amounts of unexpected events to occur that you will be not able to predict. The narrative you've outlined here tells me you may be consuming information from within a filter bubble so I'd encourage you to try to break out of it. In short: people who are fantasizing about their political enemies going to jail should expect to be disappointed, and as I said, I expect this chapter in American history orbiting paranoia about Russian bots posting spam on Facebook to generally be lost and forgotten within an election cycle.