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Did the NLRB memo specify exactly which statements in Damore's memo were discriminatory and hostile? Is there a copy available?

on_and_off 9y ago
yes : https://www.nlrb.gov/case/32-CA-205351 https://www.nlrb.gov/case/32-CA-205351 you can also find the full damore memo online.
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- rendall 9y ago
  Thanks. I checked Damore's Twitter account, and he has not yet made a statement on this, perhaps wisely following his lawyer's advice. from the NLRB Memo: "[Damore's] statements about immutable traits linked to sex—such as women’s heightened neuroticism and men’s prevalence at the top of the IQ distribution—were discriminatory and constituted sexual harassment, notwithstanding [his] effort to cloak comments with “scientific” references and analysis, and notwithstanding “not all women” disclaimers." Interesting. The Board completely dismissed the scientific arguments, even going so far as to put quotes around "scientific". They didn't accept that he was making scientific statements at all! It's not clear whether they understood that Damore used "neuroticism" as a specific and uncontroversial psychological term, and not in the folk meaning of "crazy". I'm going to suppose no, since their qualifiers "heightened neuroticism" and "more prone to neuroticism" don't come from Damore's memo, and imply the "crazy" connotation.
  - on_and_off 9y ago
    I was also surprised that this was the part of memo quoted by the NLRB. There are others that made me frown way more. The neuroticism quote is not beyond reproach though. The big five model has been heavily critiqued, it is not exactly an ironclad scientific caution for Damore's argument.
leereeves 9y ago
The two statements they mentioned specifically were: > Women are more prone to “neuroticism,” resulting in women experiencing higher anxiety and exhibiting lower tolerance for stress, which “may contribute to . . . the lower number of women in high stress jobs”; > Men demonstrate greater variance in IQ than women, such that there are more men at both the top and bottom of the distribution. Thus, posited, the Employer’s preference to hire from the “top of the curve” may result in a candidate pool with fewer females than those of “less-selective” tech companies.
- dfasdfasdfasdf 9y ago
  he qualified the neuroticism term in like two whole paragraphs. You should not be allowed to vote if you read all that and still found the term offensive. The second is an empirical statement based on fact.
- pukerz 9y ago
  The second statement was not even in the memo

on_and_off 9y ago

yes : https://www.nlrb.gov/case/32-CA-205351 https://www.nlrb.gov/case/32-CA-205351 you can also find the full damore memo online.

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rendall 9y ago
Thanks. I checked Damore's Twitter account, and he has not yet made a statement on this, perhaps wisely following his lawyer's advice. from the NLRB Memo: "[Damore's] statements about immutable traits linked to sex—such as women’s heightened neuroticism and men’s prevalence at the top of the IQ distribution—were discriminatory and constituted sexual harassment, notwithstanding [his] effort to cloak comments with “scientific” references and analysis, and notwithstanding “not all women” disclaimers." Interesting. The Board completely dismissed the scientific arguments, even going so far as to put quotes around "scientific". They didn't accept that he was making scientific statements at all! It's not clear whether they understood that Damore used "neuroticism" as a specific and uncontroversial psychological term, and not in the folk meaning of "crazy". I'm going to suppose no, since their qualifiers "heightened neuroticism" and "more prone to neuroticism" don't come from Damore's memo, and imply the "crazy" connotation.
- on_and_off 9y ago
  I was also surprised that this was the part of memo quoted by the NLRB. There are others that made me frown way more. The neuroticism quote is not beyond reproach though. The big five model has been heavily critiqued, it is not exactly an ironclad scientific caution for Damore's argument.

leereeves 9y ago

The two statements they mentioned specifically were: > Women are more prone to “neuroticism,” resulting in women experiencing higher anxiety and exhibiting lower tolerance for stress, which “may contribute to . . . the lower number of women in high stress jobs”; > Men demonstrate greater variance in IQ than women, such that there are more men at both the top and bottom of the distribution. Thus, posited, the Employer’s preference to hire from the “top of the curve” may result in a candidate pool with fewer females than those of “less-selective” tech companies.

dfasdfasdfasdf 9y ago
he qualified the neuroticism term in like two whole paragraphs. You should not be allowed to vote if you read all that and still found the term offensive. The second is an empirical statement based on fact.
pukerz 9y ago
The second statement was not even in the memo