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The success of the iPod made the Apple brand young and hip, but their core customer has been (and may again become with the iPhone and iPad) people who value th

by ynniv 16y ago

The success of the iPod made the Apple brand young and hip, but their core customer has been (and may again become with the iPhone and iPad) people who value their time and are not computer geeks per-se. That's a difficult thing to say in a crowd of computer geeks, but may contextualize the iOS/Android debate around here.

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brlewis 16y ago
We shall see how well it works out for them to be the brand for people who aren't fond of rules...computer geeks excepted. Computer geeks who want to change the world seek platforms with fewer rules.
- andreyf 16y ago
  We shall see how well it works out for them to be the brand for people who aren't fond of rules...computer geeks excepted. I think we see it pretty well already, no? People who think they can change the world aren't the kind who care whether or not Apple gave them permission to jailbreak their iPhone.
  - brlewis 16y ago
    I think I can change the way the world tells its story with photos, and it bothers me that Camera+ and other 3rd-party iPhone apps can't write EXIF data; only the native app can. Yes, it sounds like a geeky objection, but it makes a difference to people's stories whether the photos can say when and where they were taken.
    - andreyf 16y ago
      It's been awhile since I've done iPhone development, but it seems this is available starting in iOS4: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/library/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Reference/CGImageProperties_Reference/Reference/reference.html#//apple_ref/doc/c_ref/kCGImagePropertyExifDictionary http://developer.apple.com/iphone/library/documentation/Grap... It's hard to find engineers who can work on products like iOS, so I think it's understandable if they can't get every nook and cranny of the API into v1.
      - brlewis 16y ago
        It was recently that I heard somewhere that you couldn't write metadata to photos in the photoroll. I think the Camera+ authors have seen iOS4. So I wouldn't read too much into the existence of EXIF data structures in the documentation; it doesn't say what you can do with it.
        andreyf 16y ago
        I think the Camera+ authors have seen iOS4 Sure, but it doesn't mean they had time time update to use every of the 1000's of feature changes that came with it. This is why Flash as a competing platform is a terrible idea - it adds another stage of "rolling out <some feature> is blocked by <someone in another organization>".
- anamax 16y ago
  > We shall see how well it works out for them to be the brand for people who aren't fond of rules...computer geeks excepted. Computer geeks who want to change the world seek platforms with fewer rules. Geeks are such a small fraction of the market that they only matter as a function of influence. The success of desktop linux shows the "power" of said influence. In other words, Apple can do just fine by telling non-geeks that choosing Apple means that they're technically advanced. FWIW, geeks do like Mac laptops more than the market as a whole. The "geek cred" ad can leverage that if need be.

by ynniv 16y ago

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brlewis 16y ago

We shall see how well it works out for them to be the brand for people who aren't fond of rules...computer geeks excepted. Computer geeks who want to change the world seek platforms with fewer rules.

andreyf 16y ago
We shall see how well it works out for them to be the brand for people who aren't fond of rules...computer geeks excepted. I think we see it pretty well already, no? People who think they can change the world aren't the kind who care whether or not Apple gave them permission to jailbreak their iPhone.
- brlewis 16y ago
  I think I can change the way the world tells its story with photos, and it bothers me that Camera+ and other 3rd-party iPhone apps can't write EXIF data; only the native app can. Yes, it sounds like a geeky objection, but it makes a difference to people's stories whether the photos can say when and where they were taken.
  - andreyf 16y ago
    It's been awhile since I've done iPhone development, but it seems this is available starting in iOS4: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/library/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Reference/CGImageProperties_Reference/Reference/reference.html#//apple_ref/doc/c_ref/kCGImagePropertyExifDictionary http://developer.apple.com/iphone/library/documentation/Grap... It's hard to find engineers who can work on products like iOS, so I think it's understandable if they can't get every nook and cranny of the API into v1.
    - brlewis 16y ago
      It was recently that I heard somewhere that you couldn't write metadata to photos in the photoroll. I think the Camera+ authors have seen iOS4. So I wouldn't read too much into the existence of EXIF data structures in the documentation; it doesn't say what you can do with it.
      - andreyf 16y ago
        I think the Camera+ authors have seen iOS4 Sure, but it doesn't mean they had time time update to use every of the 1000's of feature changes that came with it. This is why Flash as a competing platform is a terrible idea - it adds another stage of "rolling out <some feature> is blocked by <someone in another organization>".
anamax 16y ago
> We shall see how well it works out for them to be the brand for people who aren't fond of rules...computer geeks excepted. Computer geeks who want to change the world seek platforms with fewer rules. Geeks are such a small fraction of the market that they only matter as a function of influence. The success of desktop linux shows the "power" of said influence. In other words, Apple can do just fine by telling non-geeks that choosing Apple means that they're technically advanced. FWIW, geeks do like Mac laptops more than the market as a whole. The "geek cred" ad can leverage that if need be.