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> It's ridiculous to expect newcomers to a language and/or programming in general to slog through a 20 or 30-step environment setup process Modern IDEs often r
by gameswithgo 9y ago
> It's ridiculous to expect newcomers to a language and/or programming in general to slog through a 20 or 30-step environment setup process
Modern IDEs often require an hour long install, and then you turn them on and are faced with 10,000 buttons and 50 windows, they aren't simple either.
I have had good success with making beginners people sit through a 30 minute dev environment set up process, in video form. No complaints, everyone got it working, on linux, mac, and windows. I used VS Code + the Go language plugin. Once set up, you have a pretty simple IDE-like environment.
I do miss the days when every dos PC just shipped with QBasic, or when you could get a simple, quick loading IDE like TurboC++
- watwut 9y agoVS Code is modern ide. And I would really like to know which IDE takes an hour long install. Because I tried multiple on windows and they all required download, double click and that was it.
- gameswithgo 9y agoVisual Studio, Jetbrains, if you happen not to have a fast internet connection and SSD can take a long time.
- edgarvaldes 9y agoInstalling Android Studio over a slow connection was a real PITA.
- dan_mctree 9y agoHaving to wait an hour for a download/install to complete is completely different from requiring an hour of browsing stackoverflow to figure out why the CLI install instructions given aren't working on your device.
- yjftsjthsd-h 9y agoYou're not exactly wrong, but are we not still comparing to "turn computer on, get BASIC prompt" (C64), or "turn computer on, type 'qbasic', hit enter"?
- t1amat 9y agoVisual Studio (proper) has famously long installation times. VS2017 provided a significant installation time decrease but was still on the order of 30 minutes for my company-issued MBP.
- edflsafoiewq 9y agoIn 2015, VS took me multiple hours to install and often minutes to open. The most unpleasant piece of software I have ever used. I hear it's better now.
- Zpalmtree 9y agoInstalling visual studio 2017 in a windows VM on a ryzen 1600 with an ssd and 16GB ddr4 and a fast internet connection took 3 hours, just did it a few days ago
- dragonwriter 9y agoVS Code is a modern extensible programmers editor; with appropriate extensions, it approximates an IDE, but it's not an IDE like Visual Studio proper, Eclipse, etc. Now, most actual IDEs don't take long to install either, but VS takes approximately forever.