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Apple's CPUs were affected. They're ARM based: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208394 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208394 AMD's press release on their s

Apple's CPUs were affected. They're ARM based: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208394 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208394 AMD's press release on their susceptibility to Spectre: https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution

tomxor 9y ago
My comment is regarding Meltdown which affects Intel CPUs almost exclusively. The wording used takes the same strategy as Intels own PR statement by blurring the line between Meltdown and Spectre in an attempt to play down how Intel specific the Meltdown vulnerability is.
- theresistor 9y ago
  Meltdown affected Apple's ARM CPUs as well. If you read the linked support doc, you can see that they released Meltdown mitigations for iOS as well.
  - tomxor 9y ago
    Yes... like I said almost exclusively affects Intel CPUs. Just because 0.001% of non-Intel CPUs are affected while 100% of intel CPUs are, doesn't make Intel's strategy forgivable. I'm tired of seeing it echoed everywhere.
    - 40acres 9y ago
      Tired of seeing what? The truth? The truth is that all these chips are affected.. it's one thing to ask for clarification on the numbers but this is not "fake news".
      - tomxor 9y ago
        It's misleading, that's all there is to it.
        Waterluvian 9y ago
        I think this is an example where the truth misleads the reader more than a lie (aka. simplification of fact)
    - tarlinian 9y ago
      Do you know how many CPUs Apple makes? It's certainly an order of magnitude larger than all the unaffected vendors combined...
      - tomxor 9y ago
        Do you know what proportion of the number of ARM based CPUs that Apple has made or distributed in it's devices over last decade that are affected? Do you know what proportion of the number of x86 CPUs that Intel has made over the last decade that are affected?
        tarlinian 9y ago
        Are you really implying that the fact Apple doesn't even disclose which processors were vulnerable to this a positive?
        tomxor 9y ago
        No. You really don't need that information to infer roughly what proportion are affected. There is very little information out there about specifically which ARM chips are vulnerable, but it's always "High performance ARM designs". This is one of the few references: > Intel is the company most significantly affected by these problems. Spectre hits everyone, but Meltdown only hits Intel and ARM. Moreover, it only hits the highest performance ARM designs. For Intel, virtually every chip made for the last five, ten, and possibly even 20 years is vulnerable to Meltdown. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-heres-what-intel-apple-microsoft-others-are-doing-about-it/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre... Do you really think Apple has been using such a processor going all the way back to the first iPhone and iPad? Not to mention there are far more android phones and tablets than there are Apple ones (revenue !== number of devices) "High performance ARM designs" weren't really a thing until more recently, and they aren't going to be anywhere near a majority used in these devices... Remember what you are comparing this to. The statement I'm complaining about is already factually wrong by assigning the Meltdown vulnerability to AMD, and then additionally it's extremely missleading by implying equality in it's application to ARM and Intel which is anything but. I'm honestly surprised how many of you replied to my comment in disagreement, I suppose it just shows how well PR FUD works and spreads if it's not dispelled loudly enough. Still I expected more on HN.
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- rdiddly 9y ago
  Well the article does start out "Intel Corp said on Friday..." which kind of clues you in that it was written [I won't outright say "from" as in "cribbed from" but let's say somewhat charitably, "after reading"] a press release from Intel themselves. I agree with you that the wording, while basically accurate, does sound an awful lot like Intel talking, and if that first line weren't there, it would seem a bit suspicious like maybe the suit is back again - http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html
GirlsCanCode 9y ago
You're not going to be able to stop Apple's paid astroturfers here.
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tomxor 9y ago

My comment is regarding Meltdown which affects Intel CPUs almost exclusively. The wording used takes the same strategy as Intels own PR statement by blurring the line between Meltdown and Spectre in an attempt to play down how Intel specific the Meltdown vulnerability is.

theresistor 9y ago
Meltdown affected Apple's ARM CPUs as well. If you read the linked support doc, you can see that they released Meltdown mitigations for iOS as well.
- tomxor 9y ago
  Yes... like I said almost exclusively affects Intel CPUs. Just because 0.001% of non-Intel CPUs are affected while 100% of intel CPUs are, doesn't make Intel's strategy forgivable. I'm tired of seeing it echoed everywhere.
  - 40acres 9y ago
    Tired of seeing what? The truth? The truth is that all these chips are affected.. it's one thing to ask for clarification on the numbers but this is not "fake news".
    - tomxor 9y ago
      It's misleading, that's all there is to it.
      - Waterluvian 9y ago
        I think this is an example where the truth misleads the reader more than a lie (aka. simplification of fact)
  - tarlinian 9y ago
    Do you know how many CPUs Apple makes? It's certainly an order of magnitude larger than all the unaffected vendors combined...
    - tomxor 9y ago
      Do you know what proportion of the number of ARM based CPUs that Apple has made or distributed in it's devices over last decade that are affected? Do you know what proportion of the number of x86 CPUs that Intel has made over the last decade that are affected?
      - tarlinian 9y ago
        Are you really implying that the fact Apple doesn't even disclose which processors were vulnerable to this a positive?
        tomxor 9y ago
        No. You really don't need that information to infer roughly what proportion are affected. There is very little information out there about specifically which ARM chips are vulnerable, but it's always "High performance ARM designs". This is one of the few references: > Intel is the company most significantly affected by these problems. Spectre hits everyone, but Meltdown only hits Intel and ARM. Moreover, it only hits the highest performance ARM designs. For Intel, virtually every chip made for the last five, ten, and possibly even 20 years is vulnerable to Meltdown. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-heres-what-intel-apple-microsoft-others-are-doing-about-it/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre... Do you really think Apple has been using such a processor going all the way back to the first iPhone and iPad? Not to mention there are far more android phones and tablets than there are Apple ones (revenue !== number of devices) "High performance ARM designs" weren't really a thing until more recently, and they aren't going to be anywhere near a majority used in these devices... Remember what you are comparing this to. The statement I'm complaining about is already factually wrong by assigning the Meltdown vulnerability to AMD, and then additionally it's extremely missleading by implying equality in it's application to ARM and Intel which is anything but. I'm honestly surprised how many of you replied to my comment in disagreement, I suppose it just shows how well PR FUD works and spreads if it's not dispelled loudly enough. Still I expected more on HN.
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rdiddly 9y ago
Well the article does start out "Intel Corp said on Friday..." which kind of clues you in that it was written [I won't outright say "from" as in "cribbed from" but let's say somewhat charitably, "after reading"] a press release from Intel themselves. I agree with you that the wording, while basically accurate, does sound an awful lot like Intel talking, and if that first line weren't there, it would seem a bit suspicious like maybe the suit is back again - http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html

GirlsCanCode 9y ago

You're not going to be able to stop Apple's paid astroturfers here.

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