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This same thing is also an extreme Liberal strategy. Sorry, I can't remember the name to look it up. The theory is that you can so overload the government that

This same thing is also an extreme Liberal strategy. Sorry, I can't remember the name to look it up. The theory is that you can so overload the government that it simply can't stand up anymore (like the USSR I suppose). It crumbles, and that gives you the opportunity to erect a new one in its place, doing away with all those things that stand in your way, like Constitutional restrictions on the government. UPDATE: the name is "Cloward-Piven" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy#The_strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy#... ), see my follow-up below.

itsgoats 16y ago
Except there's no mainstream, tea-party-a-like leftists loudly advocating that strategy in the US.
- CWuestefeld 16y ago
  ... Which doesn't change a thing about it. I finally found a reference, it's called the Cloward-Piven strategy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy#The_strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy#... >>Cloward and Piven’s article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They argued that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare "would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments" that would "deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the white working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas."
- infinite8s 16y ago
  I think by Liberal he meant to say Libertarian
  - CWuestefeld 16y ago
    No, I meant "Liberal". Read the article at the link.

itsgoats 16y ago

Except there's no mainstream, tea-party-a-like leftists loudly advocating that strategy in the US.

CWuestefeld 16y ago
... Which doesn't change a thing about it. I finally found a reference, it's called the Cloward-Piven strategy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy#The_strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy#... >>Cloward and Piven’s article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They argued that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare "would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments" that would "deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the white working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas."
infinite8s 16y ago
I think by Liberal he meant to say Libertarian
- CWuestefeld 16y ago
  No, I meant "Liberal". Read the article at the link.