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> although he does not rule out a leak It seems this should still be important, right? Before we take actions that lead to hostility between nations, possibly

> although he does not rule out a leak It seems this should still be important, right? Before we take actions that lead to hostility between nations, possibly even wars, shouldn't we be absolutely sure?

outsidetheparty 9y ago
Yes, we should! Which is presumably why it took more than a year of investigation before Mueller filed these charges.
52-6F-62 9y ago
The hack was recently publicly confirmed by a Dutch intelligence agency where they confirmed the DNC was indeed hacked, and that they were witness with recorded video and possibly logs of Cozy Bear committing the very hack that was proposed to be a leak. https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2213767-dutch-intelligence-first-to-alert-u-s-about-russian-hack-of-democratic-party.html https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2213767-dutch-intelligence-...
- 13years 9y ago
  It is 'claimed' to be confirmed by anonymous source. Still many statements raise questions... https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-26/release-the-dutch-evidence-of-the-dnc-hack https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-26/release-t... https://theintercept.com/2018/02/12/dutch-official-admits-lying-about-meeting-with-putin-is-fake-news-used-by-russia-or-about-russia/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/12/dutch-official-admits-ly...
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    Both of the opinion columns you posted seem to allege nefarious intent because classified information wasn't broadcast to the public during an attack and subsequent investigation. I'm not sure what your assertion is.
    - 13years 9y ago
      >because classified information wasn't broadcast to the public Seems to be quite a disingenuous summary of content
- smsm42 9y ago
  Wait, so if what the article says is true, for several months both FBI and DNC knew what they think is Russian intelligence are reading all their (DNC) mails, and then when Russians, after many months of having unfettered access with the full knowledge of FBI and DNC, finally publish their loot, they're all act surprised "ah, we were hacked!"? That sounds like astounding level of negligence from both FBI and DNC - effectively, DNC could be just CCing Kremlin on all their correspondence with the same result. And FBI knowing about a hack for months and doing nothing to stop it?
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    Who said they did nothing to stop it? If you would like there are plenty of reports about tactics used. Primarily, any initial entry into one government system they would use to snowball access to others, largely by spear-phishing attacks using government emails to gain higher level and wider access through legitimate accounts. By that time, it's a cat and mouse game. I'm not sure about your anecdote regarding alleged surprise. The only surprise I really caught were the public reactions to the news.
    - smsm42 9y ago
      > Who said they did nothing to stop it? OK, I admit, I took the optimistic route. The pessimistic one would be they knew for months, they tried for months to stop it, and they failed, and they didn't tell anyone about it. That sounds even worse to me. > Primarily, any initial entry into one government system DNC is not government. At least not yet :)
      - 52-6F-62 9y ago
        Freudian slip or what. I trust you understood what I meant, regardless. I’m willing to believe it’s possible they failed. I recall talks by a former NSA director about the dire need for improved cybersecurity programs and it wasn’t well received at the time— in light of all the patriot act business Maybe it’s a wake up call?

outsidetheparty 9y ago

Yes, we should! Which is presumably why it took more than a year of investigation before Mueller filed these charges.

52-6F-62 9y ago

The hack was recently publicly confirmed by a Dutch intelligence agency where they confirmed the DNC was indeed hacked, and that they were witness with recorded video and possibly logs of Cozy Bear committing the very hack that was proposed to be a leak. https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2213767-dutch-intelligence-first-to-alert-u-s-about-russian-hack-of-democratic-party.html https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2213767-dutch-intelligence-...

13years 9y ago
It is 'claimed' to be confirmed by anonymous source. Still many statements raise questions... https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-26/release-the-dutch-evidence-of-the-dnc-hack https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-26/release-t... https://theintercept.com/2018/02/12/dutch-official-admits-lying-about-meeting-with-putin-is-fake-news-used-by-russia-or-about-russia/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/12/dutch-official-admits-ly...
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  Both of the opinion columns you posted seem to allege nefarious intent because classified information wasn't broadcast to the public during an attack and subsequent investigation. I'm not sure what your assertion is.
  - 13years 9y ago
    >because classified information wasn't broadcast to the public Seems to be quite a disingenuous summary of content
smsm42 9y ago
Wait, so if what the article says is true, for several months both FBI and DNC knew what they think is Russian intelligence are reading all their (DNC) mails, and then when Russians, after many months of having unfettered access with the full knowledge of FBI and DNC, finally publish their loot, they're all act surprised "ah, we were hacked!"? That sounds like astounding level of negligence from both FBI and DNC - effectively, DNC could be just CCing Kremlin on all their correspondence with the same result. And FBI knowing about a hack for months and doing nothing to stop it?
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  Who said they did nothing to stop it? If you would like there are plenty of reports about tactics used. Primarily, any initial entry into one government system they would use to snowball access to others, largely by spear-phishing attacks using government emails to gain higher level and wider access through legitimate accounts. By that time, it's a cat and mouse game. I'm not sure about your anecdote regarding alleged surprise. The only surprise I really caught were the public reactions to the news.
  - smsm42 9y ago
    > Who said they did nothing to stop it? OK, I admit, I took the optimistic route. The pessimistic one would be they knew for months, they tried for months to stop it, and they failed, and they didn't tell anyone about it. That sounds even worse to me. > Primarily, any initial entry into one government system DNC is not government. At least not yet :)
    - 52-6F-62 9y ago
      Freudian slip or what. I trust you understood what I meant, regardless. I’m willing to believe it’s possible they failed. I recall talks by a former NSA director about the dire need for improved cybersecurity programs and it wasn’t well received at the time— in light of all the patriot act business Maybe it’s a wake up call?