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Those were 2016. There has been many questions since. https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/ https://w

Those were 2016. There has been many questions since. https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/ https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-qu...

outsidetheparty 9y ago
Well... it happened in 2016, so yes, many of the articles about it are going to be from around then. You may want to take a closer read of the editor's note prepended to the Nation article you linked to, which is a lengthy apology for the article's inaccuracy: >we should have made certain that several of the article’s conclusions were presented as possibilities, not as certainties. And given the technical complexity of the material, we would have benefited from bringing on an independent expert to conduct a rigorous review of the VIPS technical claims[...] We have obtained such a review in the last week [...which] lays out several scenarios in which the DNC could have been hacked from the outside, although he does not rule out a leak.
- coldtea 9y ago
  Here are some better pointers: https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagate-explained-721cb5843857 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagate-explained-721c... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagaters-are-the-very-worst-kind-of-conspiracy-theorists-bdeb0f4e496b https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagaters-are-the-very... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagate-is-making-everyone-stupid-dd8f56449101 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagate-is-making-ever... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/10-trump-administration-atrocities-going-under-reported-amid-russia-hysteria-35dc07cd9393 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/10-trump-administration-a... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-problem-with-the-clinton-russia-collusion-narrative-49facda6ad41 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-problem-with-the-clin... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/clintonists-suddenly-claiming-its-perfectly-normal-to-do-oppo-research-with-russians-98ee884e04a4 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/clintonists-suddenly-clai... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/how-to-criticize-trump-without-being-an-establishment-hack-153a11dddf1b https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/how-to-criticize-trump-wi...
  - outsidetheparty 9y ago
    Those are obviously-partisan opinion articles by a self-described "rogue journalist, poet, and utopia prepper." Call me crazy but I'm going to side with the intelligence community (and Obama and John McCain and the Dutch government and even Mitch McConnell) on this one. [edit: added adjectives, and the Dutch because they deserve it]
    - 13years 9y ago
      > Call me crazy but I'm going to side with the intelligence community on this one Because they have proven such integrity? I still remember the pictures being shown on TV from our intelligence community of the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
      - outsidetheparty 9y ago
        Granted. (You're conflating the "intelligence community" with the "Bush administration," which is a little iffy, but I take your point.) And if this were just one source, or just one agency, or even just one political party, I might be more skeptical. (My usual routine when a story seems questionable is to check a source with the opposite political bias. If Fox and the WaPo both say something happened, I'm much more likely to believe that it did.) Not for nothing, but: "The fundamental purpose of dezinformatsiya, or Russian disinformation... is to undermine the official version of events — even the very idea that there is a true version of events" https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden-disinformation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-swede... Seems like it's working.
        13years 9y ago
        It wasn't just one source during the Bush administration either. It was both parties. Also, we supposedly shared our 'intelligence' with other Nations which all were convinced it was legit. We are quite good at propaganda also http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-b...
- 13years 9y ago
  > although he does not rule out a leak It seems this should still be important, right? Before we take actions that lead to hostility between nations, possibly even wars, shouldn't we be absolutely sure?
  - outsidetheparty 9y ago
    Yes, we should! Which is presumably why it took more than a year of investigation before Mueller filed these charges.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    The hack was recently publicly confirmed by a Dutch intelligence agency where they confirmed the DNC was indeed hacked, and that they were witness with recorded video and possibly logs of Cozy Bear committing the very hack that was proposed to be a leak. https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2213767-dutch-intelligence-first-to-alert-u-s-about-russian-hack-of-democratic-party.html https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2213767-dutch-intelligence-...
    - 13years 9y ago
      It is 'claimed' to be confirmed by anonymous source. Still many statements raise questions... https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-26/release-the-dutch-evidence-of-the-dnc-hack https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-26/release-t... https://theintercept.com/2018/02/12/dutch-official-admits-lying-about-meeting-with-putin-is-fake-news-used-by-russia-or-about-russia/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/12/dutch-official-admits-ly...
      - 52-6F-62 9y ago
        Both of the opinion columns you posted seem to allege nefarious intent because classified information wasn't broadcast to the public during an attack and subsequent investigation. I'm not sure what your assertion is.
        13years 9y ago

outsidetheparty 9y ago

Well... it happened in 2016, so yes, many of the articles about it are going to be from around then. You may want to take a closer read of the editor's note prepended to the Nation article you linked to, which is a lengthy apology for the article's inaccuracy: >we should have made certain that several of the article’s conclusions were presented as possibilities, not as certainties. And given the technical complexity of the material, we would have benefited from bringing on an independent expert to conduct a rigorous review of the VIPS technical claims[...] We have obtained such a review in the last week [...which] lays out several scenarios in which the DNC could have been hacked from the outside, although he does not rule out a leak.

coldtea 9y ago
Here are some better pointers: https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagate-explained-721cb5843857 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagate-explained-721c... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagaters-are-the-very-worst-kind-of-conspiracy-theorists-bdeb0f4e496b https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagaters-are-the-very... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagate-is-making-everyone-stupid-dd8f56449101 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russiagate-is-making-ever... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/10-trump-administration-atrocities-going-under-reported-amid-russia-hysteria-35dc07cd9393 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/10-trump-administration-a... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-problem-with-the-clinton-russia-collusion-narrative-49facda6ad41 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-problem-with-the-clin... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/clintonists-suddenly-claiming-its-perfectly-normal-to-do-oppo-research-with-russians-98ee884e04a4 https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/clintonists-suddenly-clai... https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/how-to-criticize-trump-without-being-an-establishment-hack-153a11dddf1b https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/how-to-criticize-trump-wi...
- outsidetheparty 9y ago
  Those are obviously-partisan opinion articles by a self-described "rogue journalist, poet, and utopia prepper." Call me crazy but I'm going to side with the intelligence community (and Obama and John McCain and the Dutch government and even Mitch McConnell) on this one. [edit: added adjectives, and the Dutch because they deserve it]
  - 13years 9y ago
    > Call me crazy but I'm going to side with the intelligence community on this one Because they have proven such integrity? I still remember the pictures being shown on TV from our intelligence community of the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
    - outsidetheparty 9y ago
      Granted. (You're conflating the "intelligence community" with the "Bush administration," which is a little iffy, but I take your point.) And if this were just one source, or just one agency, or even just one political party, I might be more skeptical. (My usual routine when a story seems questionable is to check a source with the opposite political bias. If Fox and the WaPo both say something happened, I'm much more likely to believe that it did.) Not for nothing, but: "The fundamental purpose of dezinformatsiya, or Russian disinformation... is to undermine the official version of events — even the very idea that there is a true version of events" https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden-disinformation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-swede... Seems like it's working.
      - 13years 9y ago
        It wasn't just one source during the Bush administration either. It was both parties. Also, we supposedly shared our 'intelligence' with other Nations which all were convinced it was legit. We are quite good at propaganda also http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-b...
13years 9y ago
> although he does not rule out a leak It seems this should still be important, right? Before we take actions that lead to hostility between nations, possibly even wars, shouldn't we be absolutely sure?
- outsidetheparty 9y ago
  Yes, we should! Which is presumably why it took more than a year of investigation before Mueller filed these charges.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  The hack was recently publicly confirmed by a Dutch intelligence agency where they confirmed the DNC was indeed hacked, and that they were witness with recorded video and possibly logs of Cozy Bear committing the very hack that was proposed to be a leak. https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2213767-dutch-intelligence-first-to-alert-u-s-about-russian-hack-of-democratic-party.html https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2213767-dutch-intelligence-...
  - 13years 9y ago
    It is 'claimed' to be confirmed by anonymous source. Still many statements raise questions... https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-26/release-the-dutch-evidence-of-the-dnc-hack https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-26/release-t... https://theintercept.com/2018/02/12/dutch-official-admits-lying-about-meeting-with-putin-is-fake-news-used-by-russia-or-about-russia/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/12/dutch-official-admits-ly...
    - 52-6F-62 9y ago
      Both of the opinion columns you posted seem to allege nefarious intent because classified information wasn't broadcast to the public during an attack and subsequent investigation. I'm not sure what your assertion is.
      - 13years 9y ago