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I’ve been noticing a number of similar articles on HN recently. Exploring why men aren’t interested in working seems to be in vogue.

by brad0 9y ago

BadMathBook3 9y ago
Personally, I fit into this group to a degree (I'm almost 40 -- not the same age group really). That said, I'm all about working. I just hate office life anymore. "Jobs" are passe, IMO. I'm burned out on it after 25 years, countless lines of code, and hours of effort having been expropriated from me. I'm tired of how hard it is to change specialties; not because I'm not smart enough, but because I don't have the time because I'm expected to fucking work all the time. I've had a few payouts from tech, but nothing to retire on for life. There's a serious inequity in working at an office when I've doing 40+ wks for years, struggled to get by a lot it, but the guy one level up the org char rolls in with his new Vette. Women seem to find it novel, since they haven't historically had access. So let em at it. Do we NEED this many people "working" on whatever the "free market" demands (which is usually just code for "within the highly moderated financial system"). I doubt it. IMO, the only economic output that society as a whole should be concerned with is education, healthcare, and the infra that enables those efforts. The rest is a farce. Consumption driven avarice.
hi-im-mi-ih 9y ago
I'll venture a guess: We've been talking about rights for so long, as a nation, that we forgot to discuss responsibility. The major media and political narratives are focusing on the rights of women, the rights of trans folks, the rights of minorities, and the rights of immigrants. They are all well and good, but we should equally talk about the responsibility of our well-represented young white males to bear up under some responsibility and push themselves to improve their country. Responsibility to provide and protect is a very masculine idea, and if we fed ourselves an equal diet of responsibility as we do rights & freedoms, the young men of today might be a lot more energetic and engaged. I also venture that it has something to do with the sharp rise in atheism. Christianity espouses responsibility. Carry your cross and accept suffering without malice. Atheism says that the world is meaningless, we were created from entropy. One of those belief systems might work better for getting young guys out of the house!
- mitchty 9y ago
  > I also venture that it has something to do with the sharp rise in atheism. Christianity espouses responsibility. Carry your cross and accept suffering without malice. Atheism says that the world is meaningless, we were created from entropy. One of those belief systems might work better for getting young guys out of the house! Build up atheist straw men much? You know what you know if I tell you I am an atheist? You only know I lack belief in deities (likely yours, whatever they may be, but no different than another deist in that they lack believe in all the other dieties as you, but they believe in N that you don't). Thats it, it doesn't tell you anything about what I find meaningless or meaningful, or that we believe we were created from entropy. That is pure projection on your part, and entirely without merit.
  - hi-im-mi-ih 9y ago
    Sure it has merit to say that, generally speaking, Christianity espouses responsibility and atheism does not. Where are the tracts of Atheist values and dogma that carry a deep message of responsibility? Point me to _any_ symbolic representation of central atheist values - There is nothing. To be atheist is to be not associated with any belief system, and without any coherence among atheists, I can't say anything about atheists in general, but I certainly cannot say that they all think the world has a deep meaning that they're directly involved in. So basically you're saying that as an atheist I have no idea what you're up to... Right, because you're not up to _anything_ that other atheists are up to. You're a heterogeneous mix of feelings and ideas that are mostly based in Western values but are held together loosely. I can look at a devout Christian and know that he's guided by his faith to taking up hard tasks and completing them diligently as part of his commitment to his faith.
    - mitchty 9y ago
      > Sure it has merit to say that, generally speaking, Christianity espouses responsibility and atheism does not. How can a lack of belief espouse anything? Atheism isn't a religion. The rest of your post seems to lack that fundamental understanding. > I certainly cannot say that they all think the world has a deep meaning that they're directly involved in. You also can't claim the converse, as noted atheism is a lack in belief systems, not a belief system unto itself. You're attacking straw men versions of atheists. Its like asking how many amps a battery has, or how many miles of work you can get from a gallon of gas. Without context the statements make no coherent sense.
Pica_soO 9y ago
Well, those guys can always marry and opt out. Oh, wait no they cant.. At least they do not destroy the environment, producing something that has no real value, speeding up a society heading for a crash.

I’ve been noticing a number of similar articles on HN recently. Exploring why men aren’t interested in working seems to be in vogue.

by brad0 9y ago

I’ve been noticing a number of similar articles on HN recently. Exploring why men aren’t interested in working seems to be in vogue.

BadMathBook3 9y ago

Personally, I fit into this group to a degree (I'm almost 40 -- not the same age group really). That said, I'm all about working. I just hate office life anymore. "Jobs" are passe, IMO. I'm burned out on it after 25 years, countless lines of code, and hours of effort having been expropriated from me. I'm tired of how hard it is to change specialties; not because I'm not smart enough, but because I don't have the time because I'm expected to fucking work all the time. I've had a few payouts from tech, but nothing to retire on for life. There's a serious inequity in working at an office when I've doing 40+ wks for years, struggled to get by a lot it, but the guy one level up the org char rolls in with his new Vette. Women seem to find it novel, since they haven't historically had access. So let em at it. Do we NEED this many people "working" on whatever the "free market" demands (which is usually just code for "within the highly moderated financial system"). I doubt it. IMO, the only economic output that society as a whole should be concerned with is education, healthcare, and the infra that enables those efforts. The rest is a farce. Consumption driven avarice.

hi-im-mi-ih 9y ago

I'll venture a guess: We've been talking about rights for so long, as a nation, that we forgot to discuss responsibility. The major media and political narratives are focusing on the rights of women, the rights of trans folks, the rights of minorities, and the rights of immigrants. They are all well and good, but we should equally talk about the responsibility of our well-represented young white males to bear up under some responsibility and push themselves to improve their country. Responsibility to provide and protect is a very masculine idea, and if we fed ourselves an equal diet of responsibility as we do rights & freedoms, the young men of today might be a lot more energetic and engaged. I also venture that it has something to do with the sharp rise in atheism. Christianity espouses responsibility. Carry your cross and accept suffering without malice. Atheism says that the world is meaningless, we were created from entropy. One of those belief systems might work better for getting young guys out of the house!

mitchty 9y ago
> I also venture that it has something to do with the sharp rise in atheism. Christianity espouses responsibility. Carry your cross and accept suffering without malice. Atheism says that the world is meaningless, we were created from entropy. One of those belief systems might work better for getting young guys out of the house! Build up atheist straw men much? You know what you know if I tell you I am an atheist? You only know I lack belief in deities (likely yours, whatever they may be, but no different than another deist in that they lack believe in all the other dieties as you, but they believe in N that you don't). Thats it, it doesn't tell you anything about what I find meaningless or meaningful, or that we believe we were created from entropy. That is pure projection on your part, and entirely without merit.
- hi-im-mi-ih 9y ago
  Sure it has merit to say that, generally speaking, Christianity espouses responsibility and atheism does not. Where are the tracts of Atheist values and dogma that carry a deep message of responsibility? Point me to _any_ symbolic representation of central atheist values - There is nothing. To be atheist is to be not associated with any belief system, and without any coherence among atheists, I can't say anything about atheists in general, but I certainly cannot say that they all think the world has a deep meaning that they're directly involved in. So basically you're saying that as an atheist I have no idea what you're up to... Right, because you're not up to _anything_ that other atheists are up to. You're a heterogeneous mix of feelings and ideas that are mostly based in Western values but are held together loosely. I can look at a devout Christian and know that he's guided by his faith to taking up hard tasks and completing them diligently as part of his commitment to his faith.
  - mitchty 9y ago
    > Sure it has merit to say that, generally speaking, Christianity espouses responsibility and atheism does not. How can a lack of belief espouse anything? Atheism isn't a religion. The rest of your post seems to lack that fundamental understanding. > I certainly cannot say that they all think the world has a deep meaning that they're directly involved in. You also can't claim the converse, as noted atheism is a lack in belief systems, not a belief system unto itself. You're attacking straw men versions of atheists. Its like asking how many amps a battery has, or how many miles of work you can get from a gallon of gas. Without context the statements make no coherent sense.

Pica_soO 9y ago

Well, those guys can always marry and opt out. Oh, wait no they cant.. At least they do not destroy the environment, producing something that has no real value, speeding up a society heading for a crash.