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The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that women in tech (STEM?) have somehow different/worse experience than women in general. Or at least I can not

The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that women in tech (STEM?) have somehow different/worse experience than women in general. Or at least I can not imagine why that would be the case - are educated and intelligent men more sexist than the average Joe? I think the main difference is that in tech we are much more open to acknowledge the problem and discuss it.

spunker540 9y ago
Its not so much that men in tech are worse than men in other industries, but women are far more outnumbered in tech. If you assume a constant rate of harassment (say 5% of men harass women per year) then a woman who works alongside 20 men and 5 women (a common ratio in tech) will get harassed more than a woman who works with 12 women and 13 men (a more typical non tech ratio). And in truth I wouldn’t be surprised if as women get more outnumbered the frequency of harassment tends to go up.
thaumaturgy 9y ago
> The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that women in tech (STEM?) have somehow different/worse experience than women in general. I'm not sure that's a statement I'd make. I don't think I know enough to say that. It's tempting to let myself get nerd-sniped into a longer, less productive discussion comparing different fields and pontificating on different possible causes, but then I'd be making the same mistake as so many other people here. What we really need in these conversations is fewer people like James DaMore writing dissertations on the subject and more people saying, "hey guys, stop being dumb ass holes." This is a problem that is better resolved by calling out socially repugnant behavior rather than dissecting it.
- urahara 9y ago
  It would be great to have guidelines prohibiting expressing and promoting damorish views here.
  - anon12345690 9y ago
    "damorish" views? I think that shows that you dont have a good understanding of them to begin with

spunker540 9y ago

Its not so much that men in tech are worse than men in other industries, but women are far more outnumbered in tech. If you assume a constant rate of harassment (say 5% of men harass women per year) then a woman who works alongside 20 men and 5 women (a common ratio in tech) will get harassed more than a woman who works with 12 women and 13 men (a more typical non tech ratio). And in truth I wouldn’t be surprised if as women get more outnumbered the frequency of harassment tends to go up.

thaumaturgy 9y ago

> The only thing I disagree with is the assertion that women in tech (STEM?) have somehow different/worse experience than women in general. I'm not sure that's a statement I'd make. I don't think I know enough to say that. It's tempting to let myself get nerd-sniped into a longer, less productive discussion comparing different fields and pontificating on different possible causes, but then I'd be making the same mistake as so many other people here. What we really need in these conversations is fewer people like James DaMore writing dissertations on the subject and more people saying, "hey guys, stop being dumb ass holes." This is a problem that is better resolved by calling out socially repugnant behavior rather than dissecting it.

urahara 9y ago
It would be great to have guidelines prohibiting expressing and promoting damorish views here.
- anon12345690 9y ago
  "damorish" views? I think that shows that you dont have a good understanding of them to begin with