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Yes, a mass of evidence yet none to refute my challenge?

by dazc 9y ago

nothrabannosir 9y ago
Your hollow anecdote? There were some to the effect of the opposite. Granted: Nobody’s linked to any papers or studies. But neither have you.
- TomK32 9y ago
  Even if there were govt reports on the topic they would be too dangerous to publish and if the parliament dares to force govt to publish them there weren't any reports in the first place... Man, I'm happy not to live in the UK.
9point6 9y ago
Double reply, eh? - I've been doing my job. Sorry I can't drop everything to respond to you on HN. As I said it's not exactly under-reported, that was your cue to search and find something like: https://fullfact.org/news/how-many-fit-work-assessments-are-successfully-overturned/ https://fullfact.org/news/how-many-fit-work-assessments-are-... And (to address your other comment) I assume you aren't being literal with your specific example (because the guy you were responding to didn't literally mean people were assessed on their ability to walk to a shop specifically), but yeah there have been reports of people who can't walk very far getting told they're fit for work (For instance this guy: https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/photographer-told-hes-fit-work-1184852 https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/photographer... from earlier this week) Where's your evidence?
- dazc 9y ago
  OK, I didn't realise the guy wasn't speaking literally. I thought he actually knew of a case that supported his statement in some way.
  - TheOtherHobbes 9y ago
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/most-dwp-benefits-cases-which-reach-court-are-based-on-bad?utm_term=.riV0y2jyl#.ub57bq9ba https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/most-dwp-benefits-cases-... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-disabled-people-benefits-legal-action-lose-government-work-pensions-department-frank-field-mp-a7886166.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-disabled-p... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/12/disability-benefit-appeals-department-for-work-and-pensions-figures https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/12/disability-... Happy now? Or are you perhaps going to try to play the no true Scotsman PR game and claim this doesn't count as real evidence?
    - dazc 9y ago
      '...and claim this doesn't count as real evidence?' If the guy had replied saying he actually did know the person I would have to accept that as true. He didn't. Despite recent evidence, this isn't The Guardian and I am willing to believe that most people here are honest and don't just make stuff up to suit their political agenda. To answer your question, two lefty news articles and fakenews.com don't count as evidence, no. His word would have been good enough for me.

Yes, a mass of evidence yet none to refute my challenge?

by dazc 9y ago

Yes, a mass of evidence yet none to refute my challenge?

Your hollow anecdote? There were some to the effect of the opposite. Granted: Nobody’s linked to any papers or studies. But neither have you.

TomK32 9y ago
Even if there were govt reports on the topic they would be too dangerous to publish and if the parliament dares to force govt to publish them there weren't any reports in the first place... Man, I'm happy not to live in the UK.

9point6 9y ago

Double reply, eh? - I've been doing my job. Sorry I can't drop everything to respond to you on HN. As I said it's not exactly under-reported, that was your cue to search and find something like: https://fullfact.org/news/how-many-fit-work-assessments-are-successfully-overturned/ https://fullfact.org/news/how-many-fit-work-assessments-are-... And (to address your other comment) I assume you aren't being literal with your specific example (because the guy you were responding to didn't literally mean people were assessed on their ability to walk to a shop specifically), but yeah there have been reports of people who can't walk very far getting told they're fit for work (For instance this guy: https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/photographer-told-hes-fit-work-1184852 https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/photographer... from earlier this week) Where's your evidence?

dazc 9y ago
OK, I didn't realise the guy wasn't speaking literally. I thought he actually knew of a case that supported his statement in some way.
- TheOtherHobbes 9y ago
  https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/most-dwp-benefits-cases-which-reach-court-are-based-on-bad?utm_term=.riV0y2jyl#.ub57bq9ba https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/most-dwp-benefits-cases-... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-disabled-people-benefits-legal-action-lose-government-work-pensions-department-frank-field-mp-a7886166.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-disabled-p... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/12/disability-benefit-appeals-department-for-work-and-pensions-figures https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/12/disability-... Happy now? Or are you perhaps going to try to play the no true Scotsman PR game and claim this doesn't count as real evidence?
  - dazc 9y ago
    '...and claim this doesn't count as real evidence?' If the guy had replied saying he actually did know the person I would have to accept that as true. He didn't. Despite recent evidence, this isn't The Guardian and I am willing to believe that most people here are honest and don't just make stuff up to suit their political agenda. To answer your question, two lefty news articles and fakenews.com don't count as evidence, no. His word would have been good enough for me.