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The title should be changed. It’s not universal, and it’s not £10,000 per year.

by sambe 9y ago

mrarjen 9y ago
Exactly, this article is just one big disappointment when you read the title and actual article. It's basically some extra money to help it's citizens for the short term.
- icc97 9y ago
  Whilst taking away a bunch of other regular income
- amygdyl 9y ago
  Even being clear about what help is available, provided by simple and not retrospectively reviewed permission, as benefits are in the UK, would be a immense improvement. Little known, and I found this too late to help my friend, the Employment Support Allowance (ESA) is the only self declarable benefit available. You must have paid national insurance for the previous two years. But it is not exclusively the formal (de facto) gateway to disability benefits. If you're paid up to your contributions to the state pension, for six months you are able to forgo formalities. This sounds open to abuse, but in practice it's not: if you continued to claim after six months, supplying a medical certificate suddenly, the first six months would be still subject to review, when you are required to attend the popularly dreaded (for arbitrary and unknown application of rules) at which time the question about your illness will be simply, for what reason would you not attend a doctor, if symptoms denied you working capacity? I was very surprised by this self declaration option, and on visiting the employment buro to assist, the queue I briefly canvassed all strenuously advised me I am deluded. (Later a very helpful manager told me her biggest problem with claimants in disputes, is the reality she declared to be no claimant appears to think the documentation is higher authority than advice from friends. She humorously related a fantastic Chinese Whispers tale of woe and unreason. She paused somewhat shocked, however, and changed the subject when I asked if this was the clear sign that curriculum changes introduced to allow schools with English as pupils 1st:2nd:3rd language, in one Birmingham UK highschool I read being 5:80:15 percent, to not fail national examination standards. I was _terrible at English grammar in the same years,my Latin master grit his teeth "you're only good at Latin because the English language you learned from aged parents is sufficiently formal to provide you the grammar automatically." In this way, I later realised I was first introduced to the value of input type checking and implicit function declaration... Today, children lack the rigorous and emphatic teaching of less overtly strict language. (English is incredibly formally strict, my late co-founder was a nonsense poetry lover and expert, and musical arranger and manager, where deprecated grammars are essential to composition, and much art is long lost. -- here is a exceptional response to anyone who asks me why I wanted a non technical co-founder; there is always immense pleasure in the architecture of the humanities, but the sad fact is few universities have still the capacities, my co-founder at Cambridge in the sixties on scholarship and once housed in the same cottage on the Lambeth Palace grounds as I saw a Syrian refugee mother and child, was succoured by a most amazing system which is, to my view, necessary to rekindle if we are to re-establish the international respect our* country once was accorded and for generations rudely has presumed. *Co-founder and I both second generation immigrants) - - - But what purpose does a UBI pursue, if not then it must necessarily undo the travesty of Zero Hours Contracts? My father told me every night, how he watched silently while his mother cried over her sewing machine, ground down by Piece Work, the shoulder you've stitched in error of exhaustion made a debt for the final sale value, the reason my father understood when my grandmother made jokes and made up games to exhaust her two fatherless boys, why there was no dinner the following evening. Even the qualification that propelled my father into employability, the then city and guilds secretarial matriculation, was a embodiment of the formal capabilities required by grammar: the questions including manipulation of perfect participles in subordinate clauses couched in the safety of future perfect conditions, to assure your future employer that you should never misinterpret a letter of contract or possibility of variation. Today, I only know barristers who perform such work. My father's secretarial examination included actuarial tables for reduction to monthly premia. With only this one certificate of capability as a secretary, he was propelled eventually to only decline the top job at our largest savings and loan, due to serious sickness of his wife. Undeniably the popularity of great Britain to all comers was underpinned, not undone, buy the standards of qualifications available outside of university, then a dream for but very few lucky ones, but cemented by the accessibility thereto, because, although tutored by his elder brother of seven years, who was lucky enough and inventive enough to squeak through and pay his school matriculation fees, my father matriculated aged fourteen and seven months, in May of 1921. I mean by my family history, to reach directly from the miasma which appears to be present day education and employment conditions, directly to a world I imagine that for many here is at least two generations past, and therefore lacking in the visceral presence which is the hallmark which first hand accounts, such as I was raised to appreciate, deliver so effectively and in many more ways resonate with concerns that I am certain have been obscured to the point of disappearance from colloquial ascertainment, and thereby whether for political reasons or howsoever, depleted this modern debate of information entropy. No doubt can exist for the challenge of UBI for politicians who are faced with interests of large employers, wealthy from the subsidies of In Work Benefits, without which you could not entertain the kinda of non employment that Zero Hours Contracts promulgate. GBP£10,000PA cannot even pay the rent charged by homeless hostels managed and owned by The Salvation Army, at least in London. Opportunities exist for anyone who seeks a side project, in providing software to calculate UK social benefits. I understand that the unusable mess I was demonstrated running on a financial advisors laptop when we got chatting in the pub, costs thousands per seat per annum. If anyone is inclined to investigate the potential of a web version, I venture that I might be able to procure the most accurate portrayal of a avalanche, in terms of public interest, so many sore points does our bereft benefits system provoke. Nite about ESA, the version that is claimed if you are I'll and elect to not self certify: the payments made are only half the fullest rate permitted, until at some time about two years later, the bureaucracy performs the aforementioned review, and regurgitates the half they withheld. And at all times they may retrospectively rescind the approval of any decision, and adjust and claw money back. The possibility of needing to subsist on £68pwk, anywhere in England, let alone London, seems frightening enough to traumatize the desperate beyond reach of help. But what is anyone to know, when debate so long forwent all the pertinent data?
tom_mellior 9y ago
> it’s not £10,000 per year It's not? I had doubts about the first occurrence of "two payments of £5,000 paid over two years", which can be parsed various ways. But then later it does say "two annual £5,000 dividends", which is clear. Or are you objecting to the fact that it's limited to two years? Edit: No, reading this yet one more time, I come to the opposite conclusion: I think it really is £5,000 in the first year, then £5,000 in the second year. That sucks.
- akvadrako 9y ago
  That combination of phrases is anything but clear.
- rocqua 9y ago
  I read the "two annual £5,000 dividends" as getting 5000 every six months. Instead, you get 5000 in one year and 5000 in the next. Like OP said, this isn't universal, it is only temporary and it's not 10000 a year but 5000 a year.

The title should be changed. It’s not universal, and it’s not £10,000 per year.

by sambe 9y ago

The title should be changed. It’s not universal, and it’s not £10,000 per year.

Exactly, this article is just one big disappointment when you read the title and actual article. It's basically some extra money to help it's citizens for the short term.

icc97 9y ago
Whilst taking away a bunch of other regular income
amygdyl 9y ago
Even being clear about what help is available, provided by simple and not retrospectively reviewed permission, as benefits are in the UK, would be a immense improvement. Little known, and I found this too late to help my friend, the Employment Support Allowance (ESA) is the only self declarable benefit available. You must have paid national insurance for the previous two years. But it is not exclusively the formal (de facto) gateway to disability benefits. If you're paid up to your contributions to the state pension, for six months you are able to forgo formalities. This sounds open to abuse, but in practice it's not: if you continued to claim after six months, supplying a medical certificate suddenly, the first six months would be still subject to review, when you are required to attend the popularly dreaded (for arbitrary and unknown application of rules) at which time the question about your illness will be simply, for what reason would you not attend a doctor, if symptoms denied you working capacity? I was very surprised by this self declaration option, and on visiting the employment buro to assist, the queue I briefly canvassed all strenuously advised me I am deluded. (Later a very helpful manager told me her biggest problem with claimants in disputes, is the reality she declared to be no claimant appears to think the documentation is higher authority than advice from friends. She humorously related a fantastic Chinese Whispers tale of woe and unreason. She paused somewhat shocked, however, and changed the subject when I asked if this was the clear sign that curriculum changes introduced to allow schools with English as pupils 1st:2nd:3rd language, in one Birmingham UK highschool I read being 5:80:15 percent, to not fail national examination standards. I was _terrible at English grammar in the same years,my Latin master grit his teeth "you're only good at Latin because the English language you learned from aged parents is sufficiently formal to provide you the grammar automatically." In this way, I later realised I was first introduced to the value of input type checking and implicit function declaration... Today, children lack the rigorous and emphatic teaching of less overtly strict language. (English is incredibly formally strict, my late co-founder was a nonsense poetry lover and expert, and musical arranger and manager, where deprecated grammars are essential to composition, and much art is long lost. -- here is a exceptional response to anyone who asks me why I wanted a non technical co-founder; there is always immense pleasure in the architecture of the humanities, but the sad fact is few universities have still the capacities, my co-founder at Cambridge in the sixties on scholarship and once housed in the same cottage on the Lambeth Palace grounds as I saw a Syrian refugee mother and child, was succoured by a most amazing system which is, to my view, necessary to rekindle if we are to re-establish the international respect our* country once was accorded and for generations rudely has presumed. *Co-founder and I both second generation immigrants) - - - But what purpose does a UBI pursue, if not then it must necessarily undo the travesty of Zero Hours Contracts? My father told me every night, how he watched silently while his mother cried over her sewing machine, ground down by Piece Work, the shoulder you've stitched in error of exhaustion made a debt for the final sale value, the reason my father understood when my grandmother made jokes and made up games to exhaust her two fatherless boys, why there was no dinner the following evening. Even the qualification that propelled my father into employability, the then city and guilds secretarial matriculation, was a embodiment of the formal capabilities required by grammar: the questions including manipulation of perfect participles in subordinate clauses couched in the safety of future perfect conditions, to assure your future employer that you should never misinterpret a letter of contract or possibility of variation. Today, I only know barristers who perform such work. My father's secretarial examination included actuarial tables for reduction to monthly premia. With only this one certificate of capability as a secretary, he was propelled eventually to only decline the top job at our largest savings and loan, due to serious sickness of his wife. Undeniably the popularity of great Britain to all comers was underpinned, not undone, buy the standards of qualifications available outside of university, then a dream for but very few lucky ones, but cemented by the accessibility thereto, because, although tutored by his elder brother of seven years, who was lucky enough and inventive enough to squeak through and pay his school matriculation fees, my father matriculated aged fourteen and seven months, in May of 1921. I mean by my family history, to reach directly from the miasma which appears to be present day education and employment conditions, directly to a world I imagine that for many here is at least two generations past, and therefore lacking in the visceral presence which is the hallmark which first hand accounts, such as I was raised to appreciate, deliver so effectively and in many more ways resonate with concerns that I am certain have been obscured to the point of disappearance from colloquial ascertainment, and thereby whether for political reasons or howsoever, depleted this modern debate of information entropy. No doubt can exist for the challenge of UBI for politicians who are faced with interests of large employers, wealthy from the subsidies of In Work Benefits, without which you could not entertain the kinda of non employment that Zero Hours Contracts promulgate. GBP£10,000PA cannot even pay the rent charged by homeless hostels managed and owned by The Salvation Army, at least in London. Opportunities exist for anyone who seeks a side project, in providing software to calculate UK social benefits. I understand that the unusable mess I was demonstrated running on a financial advisors laptop when we got chatting in the pub, costs thousands per seat per annum. If anyone is inclined to investigate the potential of a web version, I venture that I might be able to procure the most accurate portrayal of a avalanche, in terms of public interest, so many sore points does our bereft benefits system provoke. Nite about ESA, the version that is claimed if you are I'll and elect to not self certify: the payments made are only half the fullest rate permitted, until at some time about two years later, the bureaucracy performs the aforementioned review, and regurgitates the half they withheld. And at all times they may retrospectively rescind the approval of any decision, and adjust and claw money back. The possibility of needing to subsist on £68pwk, anywhere in England, let alone London, seems frightening enough to traumatize the desperate beyond reach of help. But what is anyone to know, when debate so long forwent all the pertinent data?

tom_mellior 9y ago

> it’s not £10,000 per year It's not? I had doubts about the first occurrence of "two payments of £5,000 paid over two years", which can be parsed various ways. But then later it does say "two annual £5,000 dividends", which is clear. Or are you objecting to the fact that it's limited to two years? Edit: No, reading this yet one more time, I come to the opposite conclusion: I think it really is £5,000 in the first year, then £5,000 in the second year. That sucks.

akvadrako 9y ago
That combination of phrases is anything but clear.
rocqua 9y ago
I read the "two annual £5,000 dividends" as getting 5000 every six months. Instead, you get 5000 in one year and 5000 in the next. Like OP said, this isn't universal, it is only temporary and it's not 10000 a year but 5000 a year.