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Or to put it in simple numbers, every startup founder needs ten employees, who themselves have to not be startup founders. Unless 90% of the people who reach ag

by Asooka 9y ago

Or to put it in simple numbers, every startup founder needs ten employees, who themselves have to not be startup founders. Unless 90% of the people who reach age ~35 die, and then 90% of the survivors die at ~50, there is no way to guarantee an entrepreneurial career path to everybody. Or, I guess, robots waves arms. What I suspect will happen is that people will be able to leave dead-end jobs that are stressful and provide little to no value to them. Which in turn might crash the economy, because while not having the next Juicero isn't that big of a deal, not having anyone picking up the garbage on time is a real issue. Or, it might end up with employers offering a fair salary that fairly redistributes the gains in productivity afforded by modern civilization (I almost wrote this with a straight face). In any case, UBI is not just a money redistribution scheme, it's also a power redistribution scheme, because it gives you fuck-you-money, or at least the next closest equivalent.

9034725985 9y ago
> I suspect will happen is that people will be able to leave dead-end jobs that are stressful and provide little to no value to them. Which in turn might crash the economy, because while not having the next Juicero isn't that big of a deal, not having anyone picking up the garbage on time is a real issue. Or, it might end up with employers offering a fair salary that fairly redistributes the gains in productivity afforded by modern civilization (I almost wrote this with a straight face). In any case, UBI is not just a money redistribution scheme, it's also a power redistribution scheme, because it gives you fuck-you-money, or at least the next closest equivalent. This is the main reason I want a basic income. I want persons who have a job to be the same persons who want that job. If nobody wants that job then there is something wrong about that job - maybe it doesn't pay well or maybe the job conditions are horrible. But in any case, I think we will all be better off if our workers are people who want that particular job rather than people who are stuck with that job and can't afford to quit.
- mjevans 9y ago
  I like to think of it as making up for the fact that there isn't any other place someone that doesn't want to be part of the current status quo can just say "I've had it, I'm going off on my own way". All the land is taken, owned, and occupied; and all of the best places for starting your own settlement were /long/ ago occupied, let alone the marginal ones. I don't want to do any of the above, but having that /option/ gave a default alternative to being an employee and thus meant that there had to be actual benefit in such a relationship.
- Pica_soO 9y ago
  Alot of these bullshit jobs where created to work people tired, that otherwise would storm the barricades and burn down paradise.
Already__Taken 9y ago
> because it gives you fuck-you-money, or at least the next closest equivalent. Has anyone studied potential impacts for health and safety related incidents alone for this? How many tired lorry drivers can be stopped blocking the motorway for 5 hours before it pays off economically.

by Asooka 9y ago

9034725985 9y ago

> I suspect will happen is that people will be able to leave dead-end jobs that are stressful and provide little to no value to them. Which in turn might crash the economy, because while not having the next Juicero isn't that big of a deal, not having anyone picking up the garbage on time is a real issue. Or, it might end up with employers offering a fair salary that fairly redistributes the gains in productivity afforded by modern civilization (I almost wrote this with a straight face). In any case, UBI is not just a money redistribution scheme, it's also a power redistribution scheme, because it gives you fuck-you-money, or at least the next closest equivalent. This is the main reason I want a basic income. I want persons who have a job to be the same persons who want that job. If nobody wants that job then there is something wrong about that job - maybe it doesn't pay well or maybe the job conditions are horrible. But in any case, I think we will all be better off if our workers are people who want that particular job rather than people who are stuck with that job and can't afford to quit.

mjevans 9y ago
I like to think of it as making up for the fact that there isn't any other place someone that doesn't want to be part of the current status quo can just say "I've had it, I'm going off on my own way". All the land is taken, owned, and occupied; and all of the best places for starting your own settlement were /long/ ago occupied, let alone the marginal ones. I don't want to do any of the above, but having that /option/ gave a default alternative to being an employee and thus meant that there had to be actual benefit in such a relationship.
Pica_soO 9y ago
Alot of these bullshit jobs where created to work people tired, that otherwise would storm the barricades and burn down paradise.

Already__Taken 9y ago

> because it gives you fuck-you-money, or at least the next closest equivalent. Has anyone studied potential impacts for health and safety related incidents alone for this? How many tired lorry drivers can be stopped blocking the motorway for 5 hours before it pays off economically.