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> I think it's much closer to the truth to say that people everywhere are extremely interested in and enamored of women, but that women provide some kind of eas

> I think it's much closer to the truth to say that people everywhere are extremely interested in and enamored of women, but that women provide some kind of easy target for expression of bad feelings or trolling. You're not even convincing yourself here, dude. If you feel that women just are an outlet for your bad feelings, and you somehow can't keep a lid on that - you're a misogynist, whatever the shade.

b6 9y ago
> If you feel that women just are an outlet for your bad feelings, and you somehow can't keep a lid on that - you're a misogynist Do bullies mistreat other kids because they hate children?
- salvar 9y ago
  Wait, are bullies then mistreating others because they really like them and are just trolling?
  - b6 9y ago
    The point is that if there is some reason bullies mistreat other children other than hatred of children, maybe there is some reason people mistreat women other than hatred of women.
    - salvar 9y ago
      If we assume that all mistreatment has the same source. I wouldn't make that assumption, but if you want to explain away the possibility of misogyny being a problem then you certainly can.
      - b6 9y ago
        > If we assume that all mistreatment has the same source. What I said doesn't require that, and I didn't assume that. Actually I think it would be more reasonable if the people who are certain misogyny (again, just so we don't forget what this word actually means: "hatred of women") rules the world would provide evidence of the widespread hatred of women. If anything, I think the evidence is much stronger that people hate men.
        salvar 9y ago
        That is an impressive strawman you've built. Yes, if you assume that people you disagree with take the most extreme position possible ("are certain that misogyny rules the world") then yes, you can always be right! Good luck, I'm sure you can just make up some words of mine to argue against if needed.

b6 9y ago

> If you feel that women just are an outlet for your bad feelings, and you somehow can't keep a lid on that - you're a misogynist Do bullies mistreat other kids because they hate children?

salvar 9y ago
Wait, are bullies then mistreating others because they really like them and are just trolling?
- b6 9y ago
  The point is that if there is some reason bullies mistreat other children other than hatred of children, maybe there is some reason people mistreat women other than hatred of women.
  - salvar 9y ago
    If we assume that all mistreatment has the same source. I wouldn't make that assumption, but if you want to explain away the possibility of misogyny being a problem then you certainly can.
    - b6 9y ago
      > If we assume that all mistreatment has the same source. What I said doesn't require that, and I didn't assume that. Actually I think it would be more reasonable if the people who are certain misogyny (again, just so we don't forget what this word actually means: "hatred of women") rules the world would provide evidence of the widespread hatred of women. If anything, I think the evidence is much stronger that people hate men.
      - salvar 9y ago
        That is an impressive strawman you've built. Yes, if you assume that people you disagree with take the most extreme position possible ("are certain that misogyny rules the world") then yes, you can always be right! Good luck, I'm sure you can just make up some words of mine to argue against if needed.