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Its not cleaner or simpler, its exactly the same. Stupid people just stare at the pretty picture thats all. You need 2 search boxes, links bar and tabs and a t

by PhilipM 16y ago

Its not cleaner or simpler, its exactly the same. Stupid people just stare at the pretty picture thats all. You need 2 search boxes, links bar and tabs and a title bar and a status line. Everything else better take up no room. There is no possibility of the interface changing, period. Ever.

bmelton 16y ago
1) It isn't exactly the same. The tab bar has been floated next to the URL bar, some of the icons have been shifted around, and overall, it seems to take up less space for the browser chrome to allow more space for the content. 2) Why do you need 2 search boxes? 3) Really? No possibility of the interface ever changing? I honestly figured Mozilla had it all figured out with Firefox 3.0 (or whichever version had the search box right next to the URL box,) until Chrome came along and had a multi-purpose URL box (that let you perform searches.) To make the statement that it will never, ever, ever change just seems brazen.
- PhilipM 16y ago
  You need an address box and a search box. You need tabs. real estate concerns mean thats 2 lines so far. you need a favorites line (or i do anyway) you need a title line and a status line. If the browser is missing any of these lines I will add it. The interface is exactly the same, internet hasnt changed browsing hasnt changed. What you need to do in a browser hasnt changed. Its nonsense.
  - andrew1 16y ago
    I'm not saying you don't need a search box, but I use the address bar as my search box. That's even the default layout in Google Chrome isn't it?
    - desigooner 16y ago
      So far, I prefer the Chrome approach of a unified address+search bar to the Mozilla approach of 2 separate boxes. 1 keyboard shortcut to access either is far better than 2 .. if you type a search term in the firefox address bar as well, it'll search it for you ..
      - andrew1 16y ago
        Maybe stating the obvious here, but you can just remove the search box from Firefox and they look pretty much the same.
        bmelton 16y ago
        Except that you then don't have a search box. That's the magic of Chrome, is that the address bar IS ALSO the search box.
        andrew1 16y ago
        You might have to mess around with the default behaviour but you can use the Firefox address bar as a search box. You can set it up so that typing 'g foo' searches for foo on Google, 'w bar' searches for bar on Wikipedia etc. It's actually more useful than the search box (in my opinion) as you can set up shortcuts so 'gm' will open google mail, 'lol' will open up the lolcats website. So there's really no need for a bookmarks bar either (as long as you can remember your shortcuts!).
    - shrikant 16y ago
      Chrome is my primary browser, but every now and then what I really miss about the two separate bars in Firefox is this use-case: 1) Select and right-click word/phrase on page 2) Select a search engine from search bar list 3) Look it up instantly on whichever search engine has focus in the search bar. In Chrome this wouldn't be possible without a form of overhead somewhere (add-on, user script, using keyboard, etc.) Just to clarify, I'm not against using the keyboard shortcuts - just that when I'm reading a page with a hand on the mouse/trackpad, it annoys me a just a little bit to switch to the keyboard and back to the mouse again.
      - natep 16y ago
        Try using duckduckgo.com as your default search provider. If you feel like doing a search on a different search engine, you can just preface it with the appropriate ! (bang) command, e.g. !g = google, !w = wikipedia
  - bmelton 16y ago
    As I said, in Chrome, the address box IS the search box. It works that way really well, except on the outside chance that you're trying to search for a URL, or something, but I think we can agree that's an edge case. I agree that you need tabs, but I thought that the IE9 preview was pretty clever in floating the tabs next to the address bar, meaning it takes up one less panel than before. Do you need a title line? Really? Do you need a status line? I think the default behavior in Chrome is that the 'status' line floats onto the screen when there's something to show, otherwise there isn't one. I agree that you need a favorites bar, but I disagree that it won't ever change. As for your second paragraph, let's just say that I disagree with it both in premise and in practice. Chrome's UI completely obliterates the points you suggest in the first paragraph, and again, I think the assertion that it won't ever change is as wrong as the (faulty) assertion that it hasn't ever changed, because clearly it has.

by PhilipM 16y ago

bmelton 16y ago

1) It isn't exactly the same. The tab bar has been floated next to the URL bar, some of the icons have been shifted around, and overall, it seems to take up less space for the browser chrome to allow more space for the content. 2) Why do you need 2 search boxes? 3) Really? No possibility of the interface ever changing? I honestly figured Mozilla had it all figured out with Firefox 3.0 (or whichever version had the search box right next to the URL box,) until Chrome came along and had a multi-purpose URL box (that let you perform searches.) To make the statement that it will never, ever, ever change just seems brazen.

PhilipM 16y ago
You need an address box and a search box. You need tabs. real estate concerns mean thats 2 lines so far. you need a favorites line (or i do anyway) you need a title line and a status line. If the browser is missing any of these lines I will add it. The interface is exactly the same, internet hasnt changed browsing hasnt changed. What you need to do in a browser hasnt changed. Its nonsense.
- andrew1 16y ago
  I'm not saying you don't need a search box, but I use the address bar as my search box. That's even the default layout in Google Chrome isn't it?
  - desigooner 16y ago
    So far, I prefer the Chrome approach of a unified address+search bar to the Mozilla approach of 2 separate boxes. 1 keyboard shortcut to access either is far better than 2 .. if you type a search term in the firefox address bar as well, it'll search it for you ..
    - andrew1 16y ago
      Maybe stating the obvious here, but you can just remove the search box from Firefox and they look pretty much the same.
      - bmelton 16y ago
        Except that you then don't have a search box. That's the magic of Chrome, is that the address bar IS ALSO the search box.
        andrew1 16y ago
        You might have to mess around with the default behaviour but you can use the Firefox address bar as a search box. You can set it up so that typing 'g foo' searches for foo on Google, 'w bar' searches for bar on Wikipedia etc. It's actually more useful than the search box (in my opinion) as you can set up shortcuts so 'gm' will open google mail, 'lol' will open up the lolcats website. So there's really no need for a bookmarks bar either (as long as you can remember your shortcuts!).
  - shrikant 16y ago
    Chrome is my primary browser, but every now and then what I really miss about the two separate bars in Firefox is this use-case: 1) Select and right-click word/phrase on page 2) Select a search engine from search bar list 3) Look it up instantly on whichever search engine has focus in the search bar. In Chrome this wouldn't be possible without a form of overhead somewhere (add-on, user script, using keyboard, etc.) Just to clarify, I'm not against using the keyboard shortcuts - just that when I'm reading a page with a hand on the mouse/trackpad, it annoys me a just a little bit to switch to the keyboard and back to the mouse again.
    - natep 16y ago
      Try using duckduckgo.com as your default search provider. If you feel like doing a search on a different search engine, you can just preface it with the appropriate ! (bang) command, e.g. !g = google, !w = wikipedia
- bmelton 16y ago
  As I said, in Chrome, the address box IS the search box. It works that way really well, except on the outside chance that you're trying to search for a URL, or something, but I think we can agree that's an edge case. I agree that you need tabs, but I thought that the IE9 preview was pretty clever in floating the tabs next to the address bar, meaning it takes up one less panel than before. Do you need a title line? Really? Do you need a status line? I think the default behavior in Chrome is that the 'status' line floats onto the screen when there's something to show, otherwise there isn't one. I agree that you need a favorites bar, but I disagree that it won't ever change. As for your second paragraph, let's just say that I disagree with it both in premise and in practice. Chrome's UI completely obliterates the points you suggest in the first paragraph, and again, I think the assertion that it won't ever change is as wrong as the (faulty) assertion that it hasn't ever changed, because clearly it has.