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You called women catty. That’s straight up misogyny. I don’t know what else you want me to say.

by door2 9y ago

bluthru 9y ago
Describing a gender with a negative adjective is never ok? Is it wrong to call men "clueless"?
- door2 9y ago
  It’s not the same. If women and men held totally equal power in society, it would be the same, but they don’t. Attacking women in tech as a group is punching down, attacking men (at least for their rampant horrible and sexist behavior) is punching up. In terms of gender relations, men are absolutely, in general, and especially in tech, totally clueless.
  - bluthru 9y ago
    Saying that you can't criticize a group because of its amount of power in a society is a completely arbitrary rule that is easily disregarded. You will never be able to shame people into following that nonsense.
    - dang 9y ago
      You appear to still be using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's an abuse of this site because it destroys the intellectual curiosity that HN exists for. As I've explained to you before, we ban accounts that do this, regardless of which ideology they favor. This is in the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html): Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity, so we ban accounts that do it. If anyone wants to understand how we interpret this rule, the key word is 'primarily' and I've posted about it a lot: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20primarily https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... I don't think you're abusing HN on purpose, but we've given you multiple warnings already. When people either can't or won't use the site as intended, we do end up banning them.
      - bluthru 9y ago
        >I don't think you're abusing HN on purpose Thanks for saying this. I skimmed my past 6 months of comments and I don't share your view that I'm "using HN primarily for ideological battle". I don't believe I've previously discussed gender issues, either. If anything it looks like I've had a pro-Apple ideology, which hasn't been flagged. I make a point to be respectful while commenting, but I don't keep an internal quota for the subjects I comment on. I don't want to add noise to a topic I can't contribute to just to drown out my other comments. The moderation is a bit stifling and doesn't feel ideologically neutral. I know moderation is nebulous so I wanted to offer some feedback, regardless of what happens.
  - dang 9y ago
    It's not ok to use HN primarily for ideological battle, which your account appears to be doing. This site exists for intellectual curiosity, and we can't have that and war at the same time. That doesn't mean politicized topics can't be discussed—obviously they are and should be, up to a point. But such discussions tend to consume everything else with their flames, so we have to be careful about not letting them take over HN completely. The best way we've found so far to draw the line is the 'primarily' test. When an account uses HN primarily for intellectual curiosity, i.e. for encountering and discussing interesting things, it's not an abuse of the site to occasionally talk politics too. But if it's on HN primarily for political battle, then—regardless of the politics—we ask the user not to and ban the account if it doesn't change. This turns out to work well because there's a gap between these two kinds of user. The first kind tends to remain civil and substantive even as topics get more divisive. The second kind tends not only to drop the gloves, but also to come armed with talking points and not be interested in conversation for its own sake. The one group fits the purpose of HN while the other does not. There are exceptions, of course. But the rule holds up well enough to be a fair standard for moderation. More on this at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16185062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16185062, https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, and https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20primarily%20line https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... If you'd read those (especially the guidelines) and take the spirit of this site to heart when participating here, we'd appreciate it.

You called women catty. That’s straight up misogyny. I don’t know what else you want me to say.

by door2 9y ago

You called women catty. That’s straight up misogyny. I don’t know what else you want me to say.

bluthru 9y ago

Describing a gender with a negative adjective is never ok? Is it wrong to call men "clueless"?

door2 9y ago
It’s not the same. If women and men held totally equal power in society, it would be the same, but they don’t. Attacking women in tech as a group is punching down, attacking men (at least for their rampant horrible and sexist behavior) is punching up. In terms of gender relations, men are absolutely, in general, and especially in tech, totally clueless.
- bluthru 9y ago
  Saying that you can't criticize a group because of its amount of power in a society is a completely arbitrary rule that is easily disregarded. You will never be able to shame people into following that nonsense.
  - dang 9y ago
    You appear to still be using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's an abuse of this site because it destroys the intellectual curiosity that HN exists for. As I've explained to you before, we ban accounts that do this, regardless of which ideology they favor. This is in the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html): Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity, so we ban accounts that do it. If anyone wants to understand how we interpret this rule, the key word is 'primarily' and I've posted about it a lot: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20primarily https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... I don't think you're abusing HN on purpose, but we've given you multiple warnings already. When people either can't or won't use the site as intended, we do end up banning them.
    - bluthru 9y ago
      >I don't think you're abusing HN on purpose Thanks for saying this. I skimmed my past 6 months of comments and I don't share your view that I'm "using HN primarily for ideological battle". I don't believe I've previously discussed gender issues, either. If anything it looks like I've had a pro-Apple ideology, which hasn't been flagged. I make a point to be respectful while commenting, but I don't keep an internal quota for the subjects I comment on. I don't want to add noise to a topic I can't contribute to just to drown out my other comments. The moderation is a bit stifling and doesn't feel ideologically neutral. I know moderation is nebulous so I wanted to offer some feedback, regardless of what happens.
- dang 9y ago
  It's not ok to use HN primarily for ideological battle, which your account appears to be doing. This site exists for intellectual curiosity, and we can't have that and war at the same time. That doesn't mean politicized topics can't be discussed—obviously they are and should be, up to a point. But such discussions tend to consume everything else with their flames, so we have to be careful about not letting them take over HN completely. The best way we've found so far to draw the line is the 'primarily' test. When an account uses HN primarily for intellectual curiosity, i.e. for encountering and discussing interesting things, it's not an abuse of the site to occasionally talk politics too. But if it's on HN primarily for political battle, then—regardless of the politics—we ask the user not to and ban the account if it doesn't change. This turns out to work well because there's a gap between these two kinds of user. The first kind tends to remain civil and substantive even as topics get more divisive. The second kind tends not only to drop the gloves, but also to come armed with talking points and not be interested in conversation for its own sake. The one group fits the purpose of HN while the other does not. There are exceptions, of course. But the rule holds up well enough to be a fair standard for moderation. More on this at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16185062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16185062, https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, and https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20primarily%20line https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... If you'd read those (especially the guidelines) and take the spirit of this site to heart when participating here, we'd appreciate it.