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"charismatically-challenged unfortunates like Damore" Maybe I am on the autistic spectrum, or ots teh fact I studied science but i thought that Damore's memo w

by collyw 9y ago

"charismatically-challenged unfortunates like Damore" Maybe I am on the autistic spectrum, or ots teh fact I studied science but i thought that Damore's memo was fairly well written. First time I went through it he made a couple of points where I though to myself "that sounds controversial", but then in every case he had backed it up with some study validating it to some extent. It was certainly a lot better written than the majority of the media's reporting on it.

bjl 9y ago
I mean, he explicitly references anti-Semitic conspiracy theories as his source at multiple points. That alone is enough to completely undermine his credibility, leaving aside the myriad other problems with his memo.
- marrs 9y ago
  Is this the "anti-semitism" to which you refer? Quote: Communism promised to be both morally and economically superior to capitalism, but every attempt became morally corrupt and an economic failure. As it became clear that the working class of the liberal democracies wasn’t going to overthrow their “capitalist oppressors,” the Marxist intellectuals transitioned from class warfare to gender and race politics. The core oppressor-oppressed dynamics remained, but now the oppressor is the “white, straight, cis-gendered patriarchy.”
  - bjl 9y ago
    Yes, parroting debunked anti-Semitic conspiracy theories is anti-Semitic.
    - marrs 9y ago
      So if someone who is anti-semitic believes that Jesus died on the cross at the behest of his Jewish contemporaries, and I also believe the same thing because that's what history has taught me, does that make me anti-semitic? Or is that one ok because it hasn't been debunked? In which case, according to Wikipedia, the Frankfurt school "consisted of neo-Marxist dissidents uncomfortable with existing capitalist, fascist, or communist systems." Has that been debunked? If so, where?
moduspol 9y ago
That's kind of the scary part. People are reading it, yet the media can't mention it without it calling it an "anti-diversity screed." If that memo is almost universally mischaracterized and smeared, then the arguments simply can't feasibly be made. The chilling effect is real.
cm2187 9y ago
I agree, his memo was a lot more reasonable than how it was depicted in the news (whether we agree with it or not). However I watched a couple of video interviews and concur on "charismatically challenged". For instance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9hh47dqeI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9hh47dqeI

by collyw 9y ago

bjl 9y ago

I mean, he explicitly references anti-Semitic conspiracy theories as his source at multiple points. That alone is enough to completely undermine his credibility, leaving aside the myriad other problems with his memo.

marrs 9y ago
Is this the "anti-semitism" to which you refer? Quote: Communism promised to be both morally and economically superior to capitalism, but every attempt became morally corrupt and an economic failure. As it became clear that the working class of the liberal democracies wasn’t going to overthrow their “capitalist oppressors,” the Marxist intellectuals transitioned from class warfare to gender and race politics. The core oppressor-oppressed dynamics remained, but now the oppressor is the “white, straight, cis-gendered patriarchy.”
- bjl 9y ago
  Yes, parroting debunked anti-Semitic conspiracy theories is anti-Semitic.
  - marrs 9y ago
    So if someone who is anti-semitic believes that Jesus died on the cross at the behest of his Jewish contemporaries, and I also believe the same thing because that's what history has taught me, does that make me anti-semitic? Or is that one ok because it hasn't been debunked? In which case, according to Wikipedia, the Frankfurt school "consisted of neo-Marxist dissidents uncomfortable with existing capitalist, fascist, or communist systems." Has that been debunked? If so, where?

moduspol 9y ago

That's kind of the scary part. People are reading it, yet the media can't mention it without it calling it an "anti-diversity screed." If that memo is almost universally mischaracterized and smeared, then the arguments simply can't feasibly be made. The chilling effect is real.

cm2187 9y ago

I agree, his memo was a lot more reasonable than how it was depicted in the news (whether we agree with it or not). However I watched a couple of video interviews and concur on "charismatically challenged". For instance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9hh47dqeI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9hh47dqeI