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Not really. If woman gets high paying job, she makes less money for the same work. Also women have more expenses than men (ping tax, daycare...). Big cities ar

Not really. If woman gets high paying job, she makes less money for the same work. Also women have more expenses than men (ping tax, daycare...). Big cities are unaffordable even at the same salary.

gambiting 9y ago
>>Also women have more expenses than men (ping tax, daycare...). What's ping tax? How is daycare more expensive for women? Surely, a man raising a child on their own will pay exactly the same amount of money for daycare? In a normal case, where partners raise children together, they surely pay for daycare from a shared budget, not just from the woman's salary(that would be just bizarre). >> If woman gets high paying job, she makes less money for the same work. The counter argument to this is that if this was true, companies would only hire women, since apparently they do the same work for less money!
- jankotek 9y ago
  > What's ping tax? Google that... > How is daycare more expensive for women? Surely, a man raising a child on their own will pay exactly the same amount Most primary care givers are women. Women are hurt by that more. > In a normal case Single mother is normal case. Look at stats and trends.
  - shard972 9y ago
    I hate to be rude but I googled for a ping tax and maybe it's because I live in Australia, but all I can find is the ato answering questions about ping-pong tables and otherwise random economics subjects from china that use the word ping (eg: "Ping insurance", Gui Ping Wu). I can't find anything specific to women.
    - benmmurphy 9y ago
      I'm guessing they meant pink tax. They might not be a native English speaker so didn't pick up on the mistake.
      - shard972 9y ago
        Ah that does it. Yea i think the issue is that google knows im australian so it doesn't correct the mistake where the americans it's a big talking point. And since we are more closely related to asian happenings, it decided to not correct it due to the misspelling being an asian name :P
  - gambiting 9y ago
    >>Single mother is normal case. Look at stats and trends. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-192.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-192... "The Majority of Children Live With Two Parents, Census Bureau Reports" Maybe I should have said "usual" not "normal" - being a single mother is a normal thing. But so is being a single dad. Claiming that women are somehow worse off because they spend more on childcare is completely bizarre. >>Google that... Or you could just tell me - I googled it and there's absolutely nothing that relates to women, several pages of results on google are just taking about filing my taxes with HMRC when I search for ping tax. >>Most primary care givers are women. Women are hurt by that more. And? What's the argument here? You were saying that women are paid less for the same work(something which you completely ignored in my reply) and that they have more expenses than men(I would say a subset of people who are raising children on their own have more expenses than people who don't. They don't have more expenses because they are women, they have more expenses because of the choices they made).
    - jankotek 9y ago
      I thing we can agree that raising kids in SF is very expensive, and that there are more single moms than single fathers. > women are paid less for the same work Gender pay gap is generally accepted fact. > more expenses because they are women, they have more expenses because of the choices they made) Not sure I understand. Family is not really a choice. And choice/not choice is irrelevant in argument. Goal is to get more women into STEM, one can not forbid people to have a children.
      - gambiting 9y ago
        >>Gender pay gap is generally accepted fact. Is it? I'm pretty sure it was debunked time after time after time, with studies basically finding that women work fewer hours(by choice) and even when presented with an opportunity to advance to a higher, more stressful position, they decline more often than men do. Women tend not to take the well paying, but risky jobs that men take, skewing the proportions further. On the other hand, men account for nearly all workplace deaths in the civilized world - but it looks like they are rewarded for taking those risks. https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/#535c1ea32596 https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy... >> Family is not really a choice. Having a choice whether to have or not have children is a generally accepted fact, at least in 1st world countries.
- psyc 9y ago
  "Pink tax": the idea that goods marketed to women are priced higher than equivalents marketed to men. https://www.google.com/search?q=pink+tax https://www.google.com/search?q=pink+tax
  - gambiting 9y ago
    Same thing works the other way around but I don't know if it has a name. I frequently see things like yoghurt/juice or shampoo/antiperspirant/shaving accessories to be priced higher if they are branded "for men". You can literally buy the same thing in pink colour and it's cheaper. The only case where I agree is that stupidly, UK government applies extra tax to sanitary items for women, while cosmetics for men do not have such tax. That is stupid, but that's a literal tax chosen by the government.
    - mantas 9y ago
      Mind to give a link for that UK extra tax? I wonder how it's worded :)
      - gambiting 9y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampon_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampon_tax It's just normal VAT, the issue is that many "necessary" products don't have VAT on them, but tampons or pads do, even though they are a biological necessity.
        xeeeeeeeeeeenu 9y ago
        Toilet paper is often taxed too, but of course it doesn't fit the narrative.
        gambiting 9y ago
        You can use a bidet instead and never buy any toilet paper. If you are a woman you need to buy some sanitary products at least once a month.
romanovcode 9y ago
If one doesn't want to do daycare he/she should not have children. This applies for both men and women.
tom_mellior 9y ago
> If woman gets high paying job, she makes less money for the same work. In other words, we have a sexism problem.

Not really. If woman gets high paying job, she makes less money for the same work. Also women have more expenses than men (ping tax, daycare...). Big cities are unaffordable even at the same salary.

gambiting 9y ago

>>Also women have more expenses than men (ping tax, daycare...). What's ping tax? How is daycare more expensive for women? Surely, a man raising a child on their own will pay exactly the same amount of money for daycare? In a normal case, where partners raise children together, they surely pay for daycare from a shared budget, not just from the woman's salary(that would be just bizarre). >> If woman gets high paying job, she makes less money for the same work. The counter argument to this is that if this was true, companies would only hire women, since apparently they do the same work for less money!

jankotek 9y ago
> What's ping tax? Google that... > How is daycare more expensive for women? Surely, a man raising a child on their own will pay exactly the same amount Most primary care givers are women. Women are hurt by that more. > In a normal case Single mother is normal case. Look at stats and trends.
- shard972 9y ago
  I hate to be rude but I googled for a ping tax and maybe it's because I live in Australia, but all I can find is the ato answering questions about ping-pong tables and otherwise random economics subjects from china that use the word ping (eg: "Ping insurance", Gui Ping Wu). I can't find anything specific to women.
  - benmmurphy 9y ago
    I'm guessing they meant pink tax. They might not be a native English speaker so didn't pick up on the mistake.
    - shard972 9y ago
      Ah that does it. Yea i think the issue is that google knows im australian so it doesn't correct the mistake where the americans it's a big talking point. And since we are more closely related to asian happenings, it decided to not correct it due to the misspelling being an asian name :P
- gambiting 9y ago
  >>Single mother is normal case. Look at stats and trends. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-192.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-192... "The Majority of Children Live With Two Parents, Census Bureau Reports" Maybe I should have said "usual" not "normal" - being a single mother is a normal thing. But so is being a single dad. Claiming that women are somehow worse off because they spend more on childcare is completely bizarre. >>Google that... Or you could just tell me - I googled it and there's absolutely nothing that relates to women, several pages of results on google are just taking about filing my taxes with HMRC when I search for ping tax. >>Most primary care givers are women. Women are hurt by that more. And? What's the argument here? You were saying that women are paid less for the same work(something which you completely ignored in my reply) and that they have more expenses than men(I would say a subset of people who are raising children on their own have more expenses than people who don't. They don't have more expenses because they are women, they have more expenses because of the choices they made).
  - jankotek 9y ago
    I thing we can agree that raising kids in SF is very expensive, and that there are more single moms than single fathers. > women are paid less for the same work Gender pay gap is generally accepted fact. > more expenses because they are women, they have more expenses because of the choices they made) Not sure I understand. Family is not really a choice. And choice/not choice is irrelevant in argument. Goal is to get more women into STEM, one can not forbid people to have a children.
    - gambiting 9y ago
      >>Gender pay gap is generally accepted fact. Is it? I'm pretty sure it was debunked time after time after time, with studies basically finding that women work fewer hours(by choice) and even when presented with an opportunity to advance to a higher, more stressful position, they decline more often than men do. Women tend not to take the well paying, but risky jobs that men take, skewing the proportions further. On the other hand, men account for nearly all workplace deaths in the civilized world - but it looks like they are rewarded for taking those risks. https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/#535c1ea32596 https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy... >> Family is not really a choice. Having a choice whether to have or not have children is a generally accepted fact, at least in 1st world countries.
psyc 9y ago
"Pink tax": the idea that goods marketed to women are priced higher than equivalents marketed to men. https://www.google.com/search?q=pink+tax https://www.google.com/search?q=pink+tax
- gambiting 9y ago
  Same thing works the other way around but I don't know if it has a name. I frequently see things like yoghurt/juice or shampoo/antiperspirant/shaving accessories to be priced higher if they are branded "for men". You can literally buy the same thing in pink colour and it's cheaper. The only case where I agree is that stupidly, UK government applies extra tax to sanitary items for women, while cosmetics for men do not have such tax. That is stupid, but that's a literal tax chosen by the government.
  - mantas 9y ago
    Mind to give a link for that UK extra tax? I wonder how it's worded :)
    - gambiting 9y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampon_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampon_tax It's just normal VAT, the issue is that many "necessary" products don't have VAT on them, but tampons or pads do, even though they are a biological necessity.
      - xeeeeeeeeeeenu 9y ago
        Toilet paper is often taxed too, but of course it doesn't fit the narrative.
        gambiting 9y ago
        You can use a bidet instead and never buy any toilet paper. If you are a woman you need to buy some sanitary products at least once a month.

romanovcode 9y ago

If one doesn't want to do daycare he/she should not have children. This applies for both men and women.

tom_mellior 9y ago

> If woman gets high paying job, she makes less money for the same work. In other words, we have a sexism problem.