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> Eg in order to access calendars hosted on fastmail, you will have to use a third party caldav program If using an app bothers you, stop using Android, becaus

> Eg in order to access calendars hosted on fastmail, you will have to use a third party caldav program If using an app bothers you, stop using Android, because CalDAV is the standard for synchronizing calendars. iOS supports CalDAV natively. That Android doesn't support it natively is yet another example of Google infecting the market with proprietary stuff.

lern_too_spel 9y ago
You can expect the iOS implementation to be buggy and not fixable without an OS update. Meanwhile, there are multiple open source CalDav implementations for Android that update automatically. The most probable reason it isn't installed by default is that CalDav is a failed standard, which most people don't use and don't want wasting space on their devices. ActiveSync and Google Calendar won, which is why even iOS paid the Microsoft tax to support ActiveSync long before it supported CalDav.
- bad_user 9y ago
  I used CalDAV on both iOS and MacOS for the last 2 years and worked just fine. Never had any problems. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. It's true that back in 2015 FastMail was not doing invitations and RSVPs through CalDAV, but they fixed that since then. > most probable reason it isn't installed by default is that CalDav is a failed standard That is extreme bullshit, the same kind of bullshit that Google used to kill Google Talk and its XMPP interop, while pushing for their shitty and completely proprietary Hangouts. People used Google Talk back in the day due to its simplicity and interoperability. Who is using Hangouts now? I actually hope it dies, because we can then put such bullshit arguments to rest. CalDAV can only become a failed standard because unpaid fanboys and shills keep normalizing this behavior. But until then I'll keep using CalDAV and I'll be happy about not participating in this charade ;-)
  - brongondwana 9y ago
    CalDAV has some issues - we're working on making it easier to work with at https://devguide.calconnect.org/ https://devguide.calconnect.org/ (when I say "we" - I haven't actually attended a CalConnect for a year, due to spending half my life traveling as it is - but FastMail has sent someone to every event for the past few years, and Ken has been going for ages before that) And JMAP calendar support will be really nice: http://jmap.io/spec-calendars.html http://jmap.io/spec-calendars.html With the JSON format on the standards track now: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-00
jhasse 9y ago
> [...] iOS [...] > [...] Google infecting the market with proprietary stuff. You know that Apple's iOS is proprietary while Google's AOSP is open-source? As others have pointed out: AOSP + F-Droid + DAVdroid is the way to go.
- bad_user 9y ago
  Irrelevant in this context. Open Standards matter more than Open Source. The former is designed for interoperability. The later is designed for forking. The difference is subtle, but you can't fork your way out of Google's control of the market, unless you have Google-like resources. Big companies have tried and failed. Chrome is now the new IExplorer and its Open Source nature does not matter, quite the contrary, the danger is now less visible than it was with IExplorer, because compared to Microsoft they can use OSS for marketing and they aren't dropping the ball on its development.
  - jhasse 9y ago
    Open Standards: OGG: https://caniuse.com/#search=ogg https://caniuse.com/#search=ogg WebM (VP8, VP9): https://caniuse.com/#search=vp9 https://caniuse.com/#search=vp9 Guess who's pushing the proprietary standard H.265: https://caniuse.com/#search=h.265 https://caniuse.com/#search=h.265 Another Open Standard: USB Type C. Guess who's pushing their own proprietary standard. It is true though, that Chrome is starting to control the browser market which isn't a good thing. Mozilla is the solution here, not Apple. The new "Internet Explorer" is Safari: https://dev.to/nektro/safari-is-the-new-internet-explorer-1df0 https://dev.to/nektro/safari-is-the-new-internet-explorer-1d... Furthermore: You can change the browser (engine) on Android. You can't on iOS.
    - bad_user 9y ago
      For me companies are not sports teams. I can criticize or applaud a company for one choice or product independent of everything else. Actually if you were to look at my comments history, I've always been more critical of Apple. Yes, you can change the browser on Android. In this context I don't care. In my eyes Google has become an enemy of open standards.

lern_too_spel 9y ago

You can expect the iOS implementation to be buggy and not fixable without an OS update. Meanwhile, there are multiple open source CalDav implementations for Android that update automatically. The most probable reason it isn't installed by default is that CalDav is a failed standard, which most people don't use and don't want wasting space on their devices. ActiveSync and Google Calendar won, which is why even iOS paid the Microsoft tax to support ActiveSync long before it supported CalDav.

bad_user 9y ago
I used CalDAV on both iOS and MacOS for the last 2 years and worked just fine. Never had any problems. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. It's true that back in 2015 FastMail was not doing invitations and RSVPs through CalDAV, but they fixed that since then. > most probable reason it isn't installed by default is that CalDav is a failed standard That is extreme bullshit, the same kind of bullshit that Google used to kill Google Talk and its XMPP interop, while pushing for their shitty and completely proprietary Hangouts. People used Google Talk back in the day due to its simplicity and interoperability. Who is using Hangouts now? I actually hope it dies, because we can then put such bullshit arguments to rest. CalDAV can only become a failed standard because unpaid fanboys and shills keep normalizing this behavior. But until then I'll keep using CalDAV and I'll be happy about not participating in this charade ;-)
- brongondwana 9y ago
  CalDAV has some issues - we're working on making it easier to work with at https://devguide.calconnect.org/ https://devguide.calconnect.org/ (when I say "we" - I haven't actually attended a CalConnect for a year, due to spending half my life traveling as it is - but FastMail has sent someone to every event for the past few years, and Ken has been going for ages before that) And JMAP calendar support will be really nice: http://jmap.io/spec-calendars.html http://jmap.io/spec-calendars.html With the JSON format on the standards track now: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-00

jhasse 9y ago

> [...] iOS [...] > [...] Google infecting the market with proprietary stuff. You know that Apple's iOS is proprietary while Google's AOSP is open-source? As others have pointed out: AOSP + F-Droid + DAVdroid is the way to go.

bad_user 9y ago
Irrelevant in this context. Open Standards matter more than Open Source. The former is designed for interoperability. The later is designed for forking. The difference is subtle, but you can't fork your way out of Google's control of the market, unless you have Google-like resources. Big companies have tried and failed. Chrome is now the new IExplorer and its Open Source nature does not matter, quite the contrary, the danger is now less visible than it was with IExplorer, because compared to Microsoft they can use OSS for marketing and they aren't dropping the ball on its development.
- jhasse 9y ago
  Open Standards: OGG: https://caniuse.com/#search=ogg https://caniuse.com/#search=ogg WebM (VP8, VP9): https://caniuse.com/#search=vp9 https://caniuse.com/#search=vp9 Guess who's pushing the proprietary standard H.265: https://caniuse.com/#search=h.265 https://caniuse.com/#search=h.265 Another Open Standard: USB Type C. Guess who's pushing their own proprietary standard. It is true though, that Chrome is starting to control the browser market which isn't a good thing. Mozilla is the solution here, not Apple. The new "Internet Explorer" is Safari: https://dev.to/nektro/safari-is-the-new-internet-explorer-1df0 https://dev.to/nektro/safari-is-the-new-internet-explorer-1d... Furthermore: You can change the browser (engine) on Android. You can't on iOS.
  - bad_user 9y ago
    For me companies are not sports teams. I can criticize or applaud a company for one choice or product independent of everything else. Actually if you were to look at my comments history, I've always been more critical of Apple. Yes, you can change the browser on Android. In this context I don't care. In my eyes Google has become an enemy of open standards.