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So, you're basically saying that you don't trust anyone's terms of service enough to use their email. You rolling your own, then? If so, more power to you. But

So, you're basically saying that you don't trust anyone's terms of service enough to use their email. You rolling your own, then? If so, more power to you. But let's be real, that's a damn lot of time that takes to do right. And if you're not doing it right, then why do it yourself. I don't love google, but google does a better job with email than I'm willing to do for myself. Fastmail does an even better job, in my opinion, which is why I pay them actual money to do that job. Could I manage all this myself? Sure. I guess. But I want to fuck around with other things. You've got to be in a weird situation where Fastmail's TOS is more frightening to you than Google or Apple or Micrososft's.

morganvachon 9y ago
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted (language maybe? But we're all adults here) but you're exactly right. Fastmail is a company that provides a service for a fee, it would be insane if they didn't have a TOS enumerating their rights regarding their customer relationship. If they didn't have the right to terminate service, the customer could do whatever they wanted (use the service to send out spam or engage in illegal activity) with no risk of losing service. If GP wants an email service that will let them sidestep the law, as you said, they can roll their own. I can't think of any other reason someone would be turned away by a sensible TOS.
enitihas 9y ago
I am saying the exact opposite. Their ToS were so broad prior to the recent update, that if you trusted their ToS, using their service was difficult to justify. Now they have switched to more reasonable ToS and I am giving fastmail a try. No amount of trust can justify overly broad power of termination. If they're never going to exercise that power, why to have that in the ToS. Considering how important a part of our digital lives email is, it makes sense to expect your account does get terminated only in rare circumstances,(when required by law). I am glad fastmail too realized this and updates their ToS.

morganvachon 9y ago

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted (language maybe? But we're all adults here) but you're exactly right. Fastmail is a company that provides a service for a fee, it would be insane if they didn't have a TOS enumerating their rights regarding their customer relationship. If they didn't have the right to terminate service, the customer could do whatever they wanted (use the service to send out spam or engage in illegal activity) with no risk of losing service. If GP wants an email service that will let them sidestep the law, as you said, they can roll their own. I can't think of any other reason someone would be turned away by a sensible TOS.

enitihas 9y ago

I am saying the exact opposite. Their ToS were so broad prior to the recent update, that if you trusted their ToS, using their service was difficult to justify. Now they have switched to more reasonable ToS and I am giving fastmail a try. No amount of trust can justify overly broad power of termination. If they're never going to exercise that power, why to have that in the ToS. Considering how important a part of our digital lives email is, it makes sense to expect your account does get terminated only in rare circumstances,(when required by law). I am glad fastmail too realized this and updates their ToS.