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> What can China do to someone a US citizen, living in the US, using a Huawei phone? Even if all telephone calls are monitored? Sell personal details like cred

> What can China do to someone a US citizen, living in the US, using a Huawei phone? Even if all telephone calls are monitored? Sell personal details like credit card numbers or the SSN to a criminal syndicate. No one said they would spy to steal state secrets. Another possibility is identity theft. Read about the scandal involving Australian passports used by Israeli secret services in 2010: http://www.smh.com.au/national/mossad-hit-snares-australians-20100225-p60e.html http://www.smh.com.au/national/mossad-hit-snares-australians....

emodendroket 9y ago
> Sell personal details like credit card numbers or the SSN to a criminal syndicate. That kind of ticky-tack stuff seems more like the work of organized crime ring than a national government of a state like China. Anyway, that stuff is subject to much more prosaic risks, like your being at the mercy of your dentist's office's online security set-up.
- vadimberman 9y ago
  If they allegedly sold organs on the black market and force prisoners to play online games to earn virtual currencies (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoner...), it is not inconceivable they sell data.
- ldiracdelta 9y ago
  The Chinese government is not monolithic. There are individual people in their government, any of which who have access can do nefarious things.
  - eesmith 9y ago
    I don't think people need a reminder of that. The US government also isn't a monolith, as J. Edgar Hoover's abuse of power as the head of the FBI reminds us.
    - ldiracdelta 9y ago
      Of course. This statement: > That kind of ticky-tack stuff seems more like the work of organized crime ring seems like you are idealizing China. I idealize neither and wish my privacy to be wrenched back from the illegal search and seizure of the NSA.
      - eesmith 9y ago
        That "you" isn't me.
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        I'm not "idealizing" China; I just think that, realistically, credit card fraud is a weird tack for a large world power to take. If we're talking about rogue individuals, OK, but you probably need a local fence, complicating things, and you could make the same argument about just about any entity you interact with. I'd say the risk of a call center employee stealing your SSN to commit fraud is higher than someone in the MSS doing the same.

emodendroket 9y ago

> Sell personal details like credit card numbers or the SSN to a criminal syndicate. That kind of ticky-tack stuff seems more like the work of organized crime ring than a national government of a state like China. Anyway, that stuff is subject to much more prosaic risks, like your being at the mercy of your dentist's office's online security set-up.

vadimberman 9y ago
If they allegedly sold organs on the black market and force prisoners to play online games to earn virtual currencies (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoner...), it is not inconceivable they sell data.
ldiracdelta 9y ago
The Chinese government is not monolithic. There are individual people in their government, any of which who have access can do nefarious things.
- eesmith 9y ago
  I don't think people need a reminder of that. The US government also isn't a monolith, as J. Edgar Hoover's abuse of power as the head of the FBI reminds us.
  - ldiracdelta 9y ago
    Of course. This statement: > That kind of ticky-tack stuff seems more like the work of organized crime ring seems like you are idealizing China. I idealize neither and wish my privacy to be wrenched back from the illegal search and seizure of the NSA.
    - eesmith 9y ago
      That "you" isn't me.
    - emodendroket 9y ago
      I'm not "idealizing" China; I just think that, realistically, credit card fraud is a weird tack for a large world power to take. If we're talking about rogue individuals, OK, but you probably need a local fence, complicating things, and you could make the same argument about just about any entity you interact with. I'd say the risk of a call center employee stealing your SSN to commit fraud is higher than someone in the MSS doing the same.