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I'm not sure I understand the argument of the article. Yes my graduate classes have many Chinese students in them, but why exactly is it bad that they are furth

I'm not sure I understand the argument of the article. Yes my graduate classes have many Chinese students in them, but why exactly is it bad that they are furthering their education and doing research in the US? The biggest issue I see is that many of them want to live and work in the US after graduation, but basically have to leave it up to luck in the visa lottery system.

meowface 9y ago
They're not talking about students from China, but rather Chinese intelligence agents posing as students, professors, researchers, etc.
- criddell 9y ago
  What is the threat though? Aren't most university research programs very open and don't they publish everything they can get published? I understand the part about not wanting spies working for telecom companies (for example) because they could mess with our infrastructure. What's the issue with being inside a university?
meri_dian 9y ago
Huh? This article is talking about an FBI determination that China has installed operatives within US universities, not that all Chinese at US universities are operatives.
ucaetano 9y ago
> Yes my graduate classes have many Chinese students in them From the article: > warned U.S. universities about Chinese intelligence operatives active on their campuses
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allthenews 9y ago
The FBI is not warning about students, but about government agents posing ad students, I.E. "operatives". Here, they have access to learn and potentially influence our culture from within. Most importantly, if the FBI is correct and they exist, they most likely do not have your interests in mind. That said, I don't know how one would deal with this without causing McCarthy style hysteria and sweeping up innocent students along with operatives.
- BeetleB 9y ago
  >Here, they have access to learn and potentially influence our culture from within. You say that as if it is some nefarious goal, when it is almost always the goal for all international student groups: Promoting their culture. It's not a hidden agenda - it is usually explicit. As others have pointed out, for all the warnings, the article doesn't point out anything particularly bad that these groups on campus do.
- geofft 9y ago
  > The FBI is not warning about students, but about government agents posing ad students, I.E. "operatives". What is the distinction here? I do not generally expect international students on a student visa, with no intention of becoming citizens, to forget about the interests of their home country and prioritize the interests of the country they're visiting. They're here because the school is good, that's it.
  - gowld 9y ago
    Who cares about the "interests of a country"? People care about themselves, family, friends, and charity cases.
    - geofft 9y ago
      They care about cultural values. If you've been raised your whole life to believe that every good thing in your life is because you live under your current political system, your self-interest and interest in your family will manifest as a desire to uphold that political system.
jxramos 9y ago
It's been interesting observing that sentiment myself of Chinese friends that immigrate and integrate into the tech sectors of the US. Very much makes me think about the training data culled up to create the rogue chatbots that made the news last year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/08/03/rogue-chatbots-deleted-china-questioning-communist-party/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/08/03/rogue-chatb... Guess its a form of voting with your feet.

meowface 9y ago

They're not talking about students from China, but rather Chinese intelligence agents posing as students, professors, researchers, etc.

criddell 9y ago
What is the threat though? Aren't most university research programs very open and don't they publish everything they can get published? I understand the part about not wanting spies working for telecom companies (for example) because they could mess with our infrastructure. What's the issue with being inside a university?

meri_dian 9y ago

Huh? This article is talking about an FBI determination that China has installed operatives within US universities, not that all Chinese at US universities are operatives.

ucaetano 9y ago

> Yes my graduate classes have many Chinese students in them From the article: > warned U.S. universities about Chinese intelligence operatives active on their campuses

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allthenews 9y ago

The FBI is not warning about students, but about government agents posing ad students, I.E. "operatives". Here, they have access to learn and potentially influence our culture from within. Most importantly, if the FBI is correct and they exist, they most likely do not have your interests in mind. That said, I don't know how one would deal with this without causing McCarthy style hysteria and sweeping up innocent students along with operatives.

BeetleB 9y ago
>Here, they have access to learn and potentially influence our culture from within. You say that as if it is some nefarious goal, when it is almost always the goal for all international student groups: Promoting their culture. It's not a hidden agenda - it is usually explicit. As others have pointed out, for all the warnings, the article doesn't point out anything particularly bad that these groups on campus do.
geofft 9y ago
> The FBI is not warning about students, but about government agents posing ad students, I.E. "operatives". What is the distinction here? I do not generally expect international students on a student visa, with no intention of becoming citizens, to forget about the interests of their home country and prioritize the interests of the country they're visiting. They're here because the school is good, that's it.
- gowld 9y ago
  Who cares about the "interests of a country"? People care about themselves, family, friends, and charity cases.
  - geofft 9y ago
    They care about cultural values. If you've been raised your whole life to believe that every good thing in your life is because you live under your current political system, your self-interest and interest in your family will manifest as a desire to uphold that political system.

jxramos 9y ago

It's been interesting observing that sentiment myself of Chinese friends that immigrate and integrate into the tech sectors of the US. Very much makes me think about the training data culled up to create the rogue chatbots that made the news last year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/08/03/rogue-chatbots-deleted-china-questioning-communist-party/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/08/03/rogue-chatb... Guess its a form of voting with your feet.