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> Through 21 years running one of the few campus support centers exclusively for men, he said, “I’ve thought it can only get better. But it just has gone nowher

> Through 21 years running one of the few campus support centers exclusively for men, he said, “I’ve thought it can only get better. But it just has gone nowhere. Not only are there not programs like ours that are supportive of male students, but at most college campuses the attitude is that men are the problem. … I’ve had male students tell me that their first week in college they were made to feel like potential rapists.” > Added Maloney: “There’s a lot of attention on empowering girls. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that, but males are the ones in crisis in education.” We could start by fixing this problem, which seems like it should be one of the easiest to solve. Lets make sure college is not a hostile environment for anyone, including men.

dandersh 9y ago
And how do we discern if the environment is hostile, for example, if there is disagreement amongst men in a women's psych class? Do we decide based on whichever side is larger? Whichever side is louder? And what if the perceived hostile environment is, in fact, not hostile? What if it is the result of being exposed to new ideas, new group dynamics, an inability to separate oneself from the group they are a member of, breakdown in communication/terminology, etc.? What if actions taken to improve the environment for one group is felt to be hostile to a different group? Then what? No, I think this problem is significantly harder than you believe.
minikites 9y ago
>I’ve had male students tell me that their first week in college they were made to feel like potential rapists. Considering men are vastly more likely to misunderstand consent, what do you propose instead?
- nyolfen 9y ago
  would you say this kind of thing -- x are more likely to y, and should categorically be treated as such -- about any other identity group?
  - minikites 9y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean, could you give me a specific example?
- bocklund 9y ago
  I think the point of the quote is that the majority of rapists are men, but the majority of men aren’t rapists. The original quote was from someone who felt like they were in a male hostile situation. Unfortunately, I don’t really have a solution other than “don’t do that” because those people are out there, you never know who they are, and it requires constant vigilance.
- klipt 9y ago
  We should to teach consent to people of all genders. People erroneously think women can't be rapists, but new data shows female rapists are far more prevalent than most people suspect: http://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemple-SexualVictimizationPerpetratedFinal.pdf http://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemple-Se...
moorhosj 9y ago
Is it possible that for some women the first weeks on campus they were made to feel like potential rape victims?

dandersh 9y ago

And how do we discern if the environment is hostile, for example, if there is disagreement amongst men in a women's psych class? Do we decide based on whichever side is larger? Whichever side is louder? And what if the perceived hostile environment is, in fact, not hostile? What if it is the result of being exposed to new ideas, new group dynamics, an inability to separate oneself from the group they are a member of, breakdown in communication/terminology, etc.? What if actions taken to improve the environment for one group is felt to be hostile to a different group? Then what? No, I think this problem is significantly harder than you believe.

minikites 9y ago

>I’ve had male students tell me that their first week in college they were made to feel like potential rapists. Considering men are vastly more likely to misunderstand consent, what do you propose instead?

nyolfen 9y ago
would you say this kind of thing -- x are more likely to y, and should categorically be treated as such -- about any other identity group?
- minikites 9y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean, could you give me a specific example?
bocklund 9y ago
I think the point of the quote is that the majority of rapists are men, but the majority of men aren’t rapists. The original quote was from someone who felt like they were in a male hostile situation. Unfortunately, I don’t really have a solution other than “don’t do that” because those people are out there, you never know who they are, and it requires constant vigilance.
klipt 9y ago
We should to teach consent to people of all genders. People erroneously think women can't be rapists, but new data shows female rapists are far more prevalent than most people suspect: http://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemple-SexualVictimizationPerpetratedFinal.pdf http://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemple-Se...

moorhosj 9y ago

Is it possible that for some women the first weeks on campus they were made to feel like potential rape victims?