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I have a hard time believing that you will get in trouble for hiring interns and compensate them more than 500 euros. In the NL you aren't even obliged to give

I have a hard time believing that you will get in trouble for hiring interns and compensate them more than 500 euros. In the NL you aren't even obliged to give them any compensation and if you are compensating them you are free to do so as much as you'd wish. Internships in the Netherlands are akin to modern slavery imo. You work full time and with luck you get a compensation of 500 euros a month,though often no compensation is more likely to be the case. You will get a maximum loan of 1100 euros a month from the government, so a lot of students have to take on a second job if they don't get any compensation at all at their internship. National institute of neuroscience provides no compensation whatsoever, and for applied mathematics students the average compensation is around 200 euros. Obviously not wholly related to your comment but the internship situation in the Netherlands really grinds my gears.

teddythetwig 9y ago
Oh believe me... Coming from the US, the summer between my first and second year, I was compensated 5k for three months of work. When I first heard what was standard in NL I was shocked. Then again, I was also paying 50k per semester for school, soooo yeah, take your pick haha. I wouldn't say slavery, more like indentured servitude. Anyways, I make it my personal goal to give our interns as much of mine and our senior devs' time as possible, as well as support after their internship is over.
- musage 9y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude#Legal_status https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude#Legal_sta... also: > Until the late 18th century, indentured servitude was very common in British North America. It was often a way for poor Europeans to immigrate to the American colonies: they signed an indenture in return for a costly passage. After their indenture expired, the immigrants were free to work for themselves or another employer. Internships would be more akin to working for those companies in Europe, with the prospect of maybe getting a costly passage to greener pastures so to speak, and maybe not.
- megaman22 9y ago
  I would hope you'd make more than $5k working in software for a summer. I was making that a decade ago wearing a hard hat and pushing a broom in a power plant on my summer breaks...
tremon 9y ago
Normative answer (in Dutch), I have no practical experience either way: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/minimumloon/vraag-en-antwoord/minimumloon-stage https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/minimumloon/vraag-e... Your employer has no obligation to compensate for your internship, but is not prohibited either. There is no minimum or maximum amount set for this compensation. The focus for internship should be on training, not work. If the Inspectie SZW (employment auditor) finds that the internship consisted of mostly paid work, the employer will be ordered to salary the intern according to normal wages [effectively, minimum wage]. However, there is a practical limit to compensation: students earning more than E20,000 a year are no longer eligible for the student loans you mention.
- hetspookjee 9y ago
  AFAIK that maximum is only for the "gift" that was superseded by a loan which has no max income limit.
the-dude 9y ago
> I have a hard time believing that you will get in trouble for hiring interns and compensate them more than 500 euros. Student visas?

teddythetwig 9y ago

Oh believe me... Coming from the US, the summer between my first and second year, I was compensated 5k for three months of work. When I first heard what was standard in NL I was shocked. Then again, I was also paying 50k per semester for school, soooo yeah, take your pick haha. I wouldn't say slavery, more like indentured servitude. Anyways, I make it my personal goal to give our interns as much of mine and our senior devs' time as possible, as well as support after their internship is over.

musage 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude#Legal_status https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude#Legal_sta... also: > Until the late 18th century, indentured servitude was very common in British North America. It was often a way for poor Europeans to immigrate to the American colonies: they signed an indenture in return for a costly passage. After their indenture expired, the immigrants were free to work for themselves or another employer. Internships would be more akin to working for those companies in Europe, with the prospect of maybe getting a costly passage to greener pastures so to speak, and maybe not.
megaman22 9y ago
I would hope you'd make more than $5k working in software for a summer. I was making that a decade ago wearing a hard hat and pushing a broom in a power plant on my summer breaks...

tremon 9y ago

Normative answer (in Dutch), I have no practical experience either way: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/minimumloon/vraag-en-antwoord/minimumloon-stage https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/minimumloon/vraag-e... Your employer has no obligation to compensate for your internship, but is not prohibited either. There is no minimum or maximum amount set for this compensation. The focus for internship should be on training, not work. If the Inspectie SZW (employment auditor) finds that the internship consisted of mostly paid work, the employer will be ordered to salary the intern according to normal wages [effectively, minimum wage]. However, there is a practical limit to compensation: students earning more than E20,000 a year are no longer eligible for the student loans you mention.

hetspookjee 9y ago
AFAIK that maximum is only for the "gift" that was superseded by a loan which has no max income limit.

the-dude 9y ago

> I have a hard time believing that you will get in trouble for hiring interns and compensate them more than 500 euros. Student visas?