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> The short-termism that's infested our culture--it seems like all Western culture--is truly sickening. It feels like "Well, I got mine, screw the next generati

> The short-termism that's infested our culture--it seems like all Western culture--is truly sickening. It feels like "Well, I got mine, screw the next generation." This goes way beyond just junior developers. It's a bit of a leap to conclude that on the basis that you weren't asked by management to mentor junior devs. In fact, it's possible management assumed you would do mentoring and didn't need to be told.

mistermann 9y ago
Do you read the newspaper? Watch TV? Have you genuinely not noticed an increase in short term thinking and f*ck you, got mine mentality in North America? If not, over what time span are you considering?
- icantdrive55 9y ago
  The "f*ck you, got mine" was probally always there. It seems like it's just getting worse though. Morality/ethics used to be more noticed, and rewarded. I don't know who to blame. I sometimes think it's the lack of listening to a sermon on Sundays? I do know this, I can usually spot the selfish bastards around us, and try to steer clear from them. If I can financially harm them, I try. If they happen to be family, they are emotionally cut off. I have a very financially successful sister. She is now over fifty, and misserable. She lived the American dream, but did it ugly, and now just has a 25 year old husband that doesn't care about her. Yes--she got a pre-nup. She still emails me with some new spiritual thing she discovered. It's always the same email. Why don't my brothers, and mother call me? My kids only call when they need money. What did I do? She knows what she did early on. It's no mystery. At one time she had it all. Her good looks got her so much. The looks are fading, along with that power. I knew in my twenties she would have a wake up call later in life, but I didn't know she would burn down so many bridges clawing her way up. And no--if she was a man, she wouldn't have it easier.
JauntyHatAngle 9y ago
The impression I got was not that he was inferring that short-termism has infested culture due to the fact that he is no longer able to mentor junior devs. I believe he was saying that short-termism (which his belief is everywhere and I assume he has this opinion based on external beliefs not listed here...) is the root cause of this. Not many people hire junior devs anymore. I tend to agree with him, and believe it has a lot to do with the death of "lifers" in business. The quickest way to progress a career nowadays is to jump every few years, and that applies to both management and tech people. If people do this, what incentive is there to properly mentor a junior developer? Train them up for them to get nabbed in a few years? There is not much loyalty in both directions nowadays and that has some genuine downsides.
- cmrx64 9y ago
  Implying management isn’t tech? You mean isn’t engineering? (Well, people engineering....)
  - AstralStorm 9y ago
    It isn't tech nor engineering nor science. Managers do not properly and scientifically measure their performance or performance of their teams. Nor run proper experiments on management practices.

mistermann 9y ago

Do you read the newspaper? Watch TV? Have you genuinely not noticed an increase in short term thinking and f*ck you, got mine mentality in North America? If not, over what time span are you considering?

icantdrive55 9y ago
The "f*ck you, got mine" was probally always there. It seems like it's just getting worse though. Morality/ethics used to be more noticed, and rewarded. I don't know who to blame. I sometimes think it's the lack of listening to a sermon on Sundays? I do know this, I can usually spot the selfish bastards around us, and try to steer clear from them. If I can financially harm them, I try. If they happen to be family, they are emotionally cut off. I have a very financially successful sister. She is now over fifty, and misserable. She lived the American dream, but did it ugly, and now just has a 25 year old husband that doesn't care about her. Yes--she got a pre-nup. She still emails me with some new spiritual thing she discovered. It's always the same email. Why don't my brothers, and mother call me? My kids only call when they need money. What did I do? She knows what she did early on. It's no mystery. At one time she had it all. Her good looks got her so much. The looks are fading, along with that power. I knew in my twenties she would have a wake up call later in life, but I didn't know she would burn down so many bridges clawing her way up. And no--if she was a man, she wouldn't have it easier.

JauntyHatAngle 9y ago

The impression I got was not that he was inferring that short-termism has infested culture due to the fact that he is no longer able to mentor junior devs. I believe he was saying that short-termism (which his belief is everywhere and I assume he has this opinion based on external beliefs not listed here...) is the root cause of this. Not many people hire junior devs anymore. I tend to agree with him, and believe it has a lot to do with the death of "lifers" in business. The quickest way to progress a career nowadays is to jump every few years, and that applies to both management and tech people. If people do this, what incentive is there to properly mentor a junior developer? Train them up for them to get nabbed in a few years? There is not much loyalty in both directions nowadays and that has some genuine downsides.

cmrx64 9y ago
Implying management isn’t tech? You mean isn’t engineering? (Well, people engineering....)
- AstralStorm 9y ago
  It isn't tech nor engineering nor science. Managers do not properly and scientifically measure their performance or performance of their teams. Nor run proper experiments on management practices.