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Devin Coldewey against a bunch of Google employees, who will win? (sarcasm) On a more serious note, if the idea of AMP is so bad as many people attest. How is

Devin Coldewey against a bunch of Google employees, who will win? (sarcasm) On a more serious note, if the idea of AMP is so bad as many people attest. How is that the "bad idea" passed over so many people at a company that praises itself of hiring some of the most smartest people in the field? Hyperbole, the author of this article is just generalizing. Maybe AMP for email works for some people, making it a good idea for them.

pwinnski 9y ago
Please consider what you're suggesting. Do you mean to say that Google cannot possibly do anything that isn't good? Really? AMP is good for Google, and secondarily maybe also good for some subset of people who care more about short-term benefits on slow connections than the long-term damage to the open web. AMP for email is good for Google alone.
- guessmyname 9y ago
  > Do you mean to say that Google cannot possibly do anything that isn't good? Really? No, that's not what I am saying, please don't put words in my mouth. My comment is divided in three parts: 1) sarcasm 2) question and 3) counter argument. The sarcasm is already labelled. The question is what you assumed was an affirmation. The counter argument is, "AMP works for some people", you said "AMP for email is good for Google alone" which proves that my counter argument is true. AMP, bad or not, works for some people (in your comment, Google employees), which is what I originally wrote in my parent comment. I don't see what do I need to reconsider from this. There is also comments in this thread from people who say they like AMP, probing my statement even more: "it works for some people".
  - pwinnski 9y ago
    > How is that the "bad idea" passed over so many people at a company that praises itself of hiring some of the most smartest people in the field? That formulation is disingenuous at best, and your follow-up describing it as a "question" is just as bad. How is it that you think your comment was acceptable when so many people disagree at a website that praises itself for having some of the smartest commenters on the web? I hope that helps demonstrate the dishonesty of a question of that format. No need to answer.
jakebasile 9y ago
> How is that the "bad idea" passed over so many people at a company that praises itself of hiring some of the most smartest people in the field? Maybe they don't actually hire the smartest people in the field, or maybe the smart people they hire do not have their users' best interests in mind.
- guessmyname 9y ago
  > […] maybe the smart people they hire do not have their users' best interests in mind This is probably the answer to my question. I don't know why people got — kind of — "angry" for going against an article that goes against a project.
ocdtrekkie 9y ago
AMP is an excellent idea... for Google. (And only Google.) The point being that the benefit to Google is clearly larger than the PR hit they take for continuing to push a thing that's costing them a lot of goodwill with the Internet community.
devindotcom 9y ago
me
geofft 9y ago
> How is that the "bad idea" passed over so many people at a company that praises itself of hiring some of the most smartest people in the field? The fact that Google produced AMP played a nontrivial part in me rejecting their job offer - I didn't want my work to be judged by the engineering standards of an organization that continues to staff and promote AMP.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Consider me seriously impressed by that stance.
  - geofft 9y ago
    I mean, other reasons included things like "they wouldn't match the competing offer" so it definitely wasn't just a principled stand :-) But even that aside, this was just a decision from self-interest, not a statement of protest: the sorts of engineering work I find interesting/engaging tend to involve doing the right thing for the users even if it involves more / longer work. I don't think that prioritizing getting the work done and shipped is objectively wrong, I just worry about what would happen if perf season rolls around and my current project is incomplete because I didn't want to take the expedient route.
Fins 9y ago
"a company that praises itself of hiring some of the most smartest people in the field?" Maybe because they are oblivious to the big difference between being a good developer, being generally smart, and being a decent person? These really are entirely different things, and selecting for the former would not necessarily give you the latter. And I very much doubt that they were selecting for the last one at all lately. If ever.

pwinnski 9y ago

Please consider what you're suggesting. Do you mean to say that Google cannot possibly do anything that isn't good? Really? AMP is good for Google, and secondarily maybe also good for some subset of people who care more about short-term benefits on slow connections than the long-term damage to the open web. AMP for email is good for Google alone.

guessmyname 9y ago
> Do you mean to say that Google cannot possibly do anything that isn't good? Really? No, that's not what I am saying, please don't put words in my mouth. My comment is divided in three parts: 1) sarcasm 2) question and 3) counter argument. The sarcasm is already labelled. The question is what you assumed was an affirmation. The counter argument is, "AMP works for some people", you said "AMP for email is good for Google alone" which proves that my counter argument is true. AMP, bad or not, works for some people (in your comment, Google employees), which is what I originally wrote in my parent comment. I don't see what do I need to reconsider from this. There is also comments in this thread from people who say they like AMP, probing my statement even more: "it works for some people".
- pwinnski 9y ago
  > How is that the "bad idea" passed over so many people at a company that praises itself of hiring some of the most smartest people in the field? That formulation is disingenuous at best, and your follow-up describing it as a "question" is just as bad. How is it that you think your comment was acceptable when so many people disagree at a website that praises itself for having some of the smartest commenters on the web? I hope that helps demonstrate the dishonesty of a question of that format. No need to answer.

jakebasile 9y ago

> How is that the "bad idea" passed over so many people at a company that praises itself of hiring some of the most smartest people in the field? Maybe they don't actually hire the smartest people in the field, or maybe the smart people they hire do not have their users' best interests in mind.

guessmyname 9y ago
> […] maybe the smart people they hire do not have their users' best interests in mind This is probably the answer to my question. I don't know why people got — kind of — "angry" for going against an article that goes against a project.

ocdtrekkie 9y ago

AMP is an excellent idea... for Google. (And only Google.) The point being that the benefit to Google is clearly larger than the PR hit they take for continuing to push a thing that's costing them a lot of goodwill with the Internet community.

devindotcom 9y ago

geofft 9y ago

> How is that the "bad idea" passed over so many people at a company that praises itself of hiring some of the most smartest people in the field? The fact that Google produced AMP played a nontrivial part in me rejecting their job offer - I didn't want my work to be judged by the engineering standards of an organization that continues to staff and promote AMP.

jacquesm 9y ago
Consider me seriously impressed by that stance.
- geofft 9y ago
  I mean, other reasons included things like "they wouldn't match the competing offer" so it definitely wasn't just a principled stand :-) But even that aside, this was just a decision from self-interest, not a statement of protest: the sorts of engineering work I find interesting/engaging tend to involve doing the right thing for the users even if it involves more / longer work. I don't think that prioritizing getting the work done and shipped is objectively wrong, I just worry about what would happen if perf season rolls around and my current project is incomplete because I didn't want to take the expedient route.

Fins 9y ago

"a company that praises itself of hiring some of the most smartest people in the field?" Maybe because they are oblivious to the big difference between being a good developer, being generally smart, and being a decent person? These really are entirely different things, and selecting for the former would not necessarily give you the latter. And I very much doubt that they were selecting for the last one at all lately. If ever.