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Steve Gibson specifically recommends TunnelBear because they submitted themselves to a public security audit. https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/tunnelbear_public

Steve Gibson specifically recommends TunnelBear because they submitted themselves to a public security audit. https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/tunnelbear_public_security_audit/ https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/tunnelbear_public_security_a... Other than TunnelBear, ProtonVPN is run by the ProtonMail folks and is based out of Switzerland, so they would respond to any foreign subpoena with a polite "fuck off."

daxorid 9y ago
> based out of Switzerland Switzerland is no longer the bastion of privacy it once was. In fact, it's been nine years since every single Swiss Bank rolled over on their customers to placate the IRS. And it's only been downhill from there since.
- XorNot 9y ago
  I'm really okay with this. Taxes are the price we pay for civilisation and people dodging them are stealing from you.
  - confounded 9y ago
    Surveillance of money, and surveillance of speech, association, location, etc. are not the same, and one does not justify the other.
    - s73v3r_ 9y ago
      I believe they were saying that they were OK with the Swiss banks giving info to the IRS about tax dodgers. Which I'm ok with too. I'm not ok with random web traffic being disclosed to authorities.
  - cookiecaper 9y ago
    Switzerland and the United States are not the same country. That the United States can steamroll the sovereignty of independent nations like this is not very good. Diversity and competition among jurisdictions is important.
- martin1975 9y ago
  True. There used to be a way to open up anonymous bank accounts in Switzerland where anyone with the account #/access code could withdraw/deposit cash, but no more. Unless I'm mistaken, Switzerland also has its own version of KYC laws. p.s. I pay all my taxes and take all the deductions I can.
- confounded 9y ago
  Indeed. They're still outside of the 5/9 eyes, the EU, and have cantankerous judges. However the actual laws are no-longer that privacy preserving. Iceland seems to be the best country for that. However, there are few services, little competition, and high costs.

daxorid 9y ago

> based out of Switzerland Switzerland is no longer the bastion of privacy it once was. In fact, it's been nine years since every single Swiss Bank rolled over on their customers to placate the IRS. And it's only been downhill from there since.

XorNot 9y ago
I'm really okay with this. Taxes are the price we pay for civilisation and people dodging them are stealing from you.
- confounded 9y ago
  Surveillance of money, and surveillance of speech, association, location, etc. are not the same, and one does not justify the other.
  - s73v3r_ 9y ago
    I believe they were saying that they were OK with the Swiss banks giving info to the IRS about tax dodgers. Which I'm ok with too. I'm not ok with random web traffic being disclosed to authorities.
- cookiecaper 9y ago
  Switzerland and the United States are not the same country. That the United States can steamroll the sovereignty of independent nations like this is not very good. Diversity and competition among jurisdictions is important.
martin1975 9y ago
True. There used to be a way to open up anonymous bank accounts in Switzerland where anyone with the account #/access code could withdraw/deposit cash, but no more. Unless I'm mistaken, Switzerland also has its own version of KYC laws. p.s. I pay all my taxes and take all the deductions I can.
confounded 9y ago
Indeed. They're still outside of the 5/9 eyes, the EU, and have cantankerous judges. However the actual laws are no-longer that privacy preserving. Iceland seems to be the best country for that. However, there are few services, little competition, and high costs.