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I think it's becoming clear that the 70s and certainly the 60s were just a different time, with different standards of behavior. While much of the behavior[0] w

I think it's becoming clear that the 70s and certainly the 60s were just a different time, with different standards of behavior. While much of the behavior[0] we're learning about is probably indefensible, I also don't know how I feel about telling people who don't feel bothered by what they experienced that it was wrong and they should feel it was wrong. Perhaps that isn't what people who tweeted #NoNolan meant to do, I admit though. [0] speaking in general, not just this story

drharby 9y ago
Cultural relativism is lost to many, i feel
- Nav_Panel 9y ago
  I've heard the current trend described as "relativistic across space, absolutist across time". EDIT: found the source https://twitter.com/roundsqrcupola/status/927331324574216193 https://twitter.com/roundsqrcupola/status/927331324574216193
  - drharby 9y ago
    I have to steal that one - rings very true, i feel
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- rayiner 9y ago
  Cultural relativism is judging Vikings for engaging in child sacrifice. But lots of things were common in the US in the 1970s that were recognized as bad at the time.
michaelchisari 9y ago
(Misread your comment)
- noobermin 9y ago
  You misread what I wrote. Making a perpetrator of bad behavior recognize the pain their actions might have caused is different. I'm more talking about telling someone who was on the receiving end what others interpret as bad behavior not feeling like they were victims. I don't feel comfortable trying to convince someone they were a victim if they don't feel victimized, and I feel even less comfortable telling them they were victimized if they felt empowered by their experience.
- SCHiM 9y ago
  I think your argument is very flawed. AFAIK there are no absolute guidelines to judge what is good or bad. Many of these things are cultural and very much dependent on society and how you were brought up in it. That's not to say that society as a whole cannot mess it up in a legendary way (judging from an outside perspective). I see history not as a linear progression towards a culture or society that is more just, better or more moral. It's not been proven either way, but I suggest non-action and non-judgment on an individual level. I understand you to mean that we should actively pass judgment on individuals that are part of a culture that we consider inferior because they are older.
Slansitartop 9y ago
> While much of the behavior we're learning about is probably indefensible How so? This seems like a pretty good defense of it: > Over the last week, Kotaku interviewed 12 of Atari’s earliest female employees, in the hopes of hearing their stories—good or bad—about working at Atari in the ‘70s and early ‘80s. The culture they told us about was certainly, as Playboy described it, one of “sex, drugs, and video games,” but one in which all 12 employees say they freely participated, if they participated at all. Many interviewees said it was the best job they ever had, adding that news of Bushnell’s rescinded award struck them as shocking or unfair. > “It’s drive-by assassination,” said Loni Reeder, who worked at Atari for two years and, later, co-founded a company with Bushnell. “I think there’s an element of telephone being played. Every day was not a wet t-shirt contest.” Reeder added, “There’s a collective anger amongst us toward the individuals who made this a big deal.” There's this idea now that workplaces are oppressive unless they are totally asexual, but stories like these prove that false. It's a cultural idea that's embedded in our current time, and it isn't necessarily even progress unless you assume the now is best and the past is worse.

drharby 9y ago

Cultural relativism is lost to many, i feel

Nav_Panel 9y ago
I've heard the current trend described as "relativistic across space, absolutist across time". EDIT: found the source https://twitter.com/roundsqrcupola/status/927331324574216193 https://twitter.com/roundsqrcupola/status/927331324574216193
- drharby 9y ago
  I have to steal that one - rings very true, i feel
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rayiner 9y ago
Cultural relativism is judging Vikings for engaging in child sacrifice. But lots of things were common in the US in the 1970s that were recognized as bad at the time.

michaelchisari 9y ago

(Misread your comment)

noobermin 9y ago
You misread what I wrote. Making a perpetrator of bad behavior recognize the pain their actions might have caused is different. I'm more talking about telling someone who was on the receiving end what others interpret as bad behavior not feeling like they were victims. I don't feel comfortable trying to convince someone they were a victim if they don't feel victimized, and I feel even less comfortable telling them they were victimized if they felt empowered by their experience.
SCHiM 9y ago
I think your argument is very flawed. AFAIK there are no absolute guidelines to judge what is good or bad. Many of these things are cultural and very much dependent on society and how you were brought up in it. That's not to say that society as a whole cannot mess it up in a legendary way (judging from an outside perspective). I see history not as a linear progression towards a culture or society that is more just, better or more moral. It's not been proven either way, but I suggest non-action and non-judgment on an individual level. I understand you to mean that we should actively pass judgment on individuals that are part of a culture that we consider inferior because they are older.

Slansitartop 9y ago

> While much of the behavior we're learning about is probably indefensible How so? This seems like a pretty good defense of it: > Over the last week, Kotaku interviewed 12 of Atari’s earliest female employees, in the hopes of hearing their stories—good or bad—about working at Atari in the ‘70s and early ‘80s. The culture they told us about was certainly, as Playboy described it, one of “sex, drugs, and video games,” but one in which all 12 employees say they freely participated, if they participated at all. Many interviewees said it was the best job they ever had, adding that news of Bushnell’s rescinded award struck them as shocking or unfair. > “It’s drive-by assassination,” said Loni Reeder, who worked at Atari for two years and, later, co-founded a company with Bushnell. “I think there’s an element of telephone being played. Every day was not a wet t-shirt contest.” Reeder added, “There’s a collective anger amongst us toward the individuals who made this a big deal.” There's this idea now that workplaces are oppressive unless they are totally asexual, but stories like these prove that false. It's a cultural idea that's embedded in our current time, and it isn't necessarily even progress unless you assume the now is best and the past is worse.