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People losing their life savings because they kept it under their mattress is basically the reason that banks were invented. So I suppose this has all come full

by bpp 9y ago

People losing their life savings because they kept it under their mattress is basically the reason that banks were invented. So I suppose this has all come full circle now.

wereHamster 9y ago
There are web wallets today where you only have to remember a password, and can recover access if you can prove your identity. Like uhm… banks. If you don't trust yourself to keep the coins safe and backed up then go put them there. No shame in that.
- jnordwick 9y ago
  > recover access if you can prove your identity So hackable, you're saying?
  - wereHamster 9y ago
    Like banks. The discussion is turning in circles. People lose coins. Have a backup. Too difficult. Put them in a bank. Banks are hackable. Manage the coins yourself. But then I might lose them. (you can replace bank with 'trusted third-party', doesn't change the outcome) Consider the two options: self-managed, or in a trusted third-party. Whichever has the smaller (perceived) risk, that's where you store your coins. Not everybody asses risk equally, and that's fine. My preferred solution may not be the same as your preferred solution. That's fine, still.
    - jnordwick 9y ago
      Fiat banks can recover money though - cash can be found and transactions unwound - and there are techniques to poison what is stolen without permanently decreasing the money supply. Freezing a wallet basically destroys the btc forever with no way to print more.
      - wereHamster 9y ago
        And the bitcoin software is written in stone, can never be changed.
        mort96 9y ago
        Basically, yeah. I mean, the wallet software is obviously open source, and you can change it however you want of course, but allowing for transactions to be undone would basically require rewriting the entire protocol and everything which interacts with the bitcoin network - and that's if it's even possible in the first place, without removing vital parts of bitcoin like the decentralization or being able to trust the entire network without trusting any one entity.
junk_f00d 9y ago
Glacier Protocol offers a solution. https://glacierprotocol.org/releases/Glacier%20Protocol%20Document%20v0.91%20Beta.pdf https://glacierprotocol.org/releases/Glacier%20Protocol%20Do...
- aeternus 9y ago
  To call that a solution is generous.. it is unlikely the average person could follow the Glacier Protocol.

by bpp 9y ago

People losing their life savings because they kept it under their mattress is basically the reason that banks were invented. So I suppose this has all come full circle now.

wereHamster 9y ago

There are web wallets today where you only have to remember a password, and can recover access if you can prove your identity. Like uhm… banks. If you don't trust yourself to keep the coins safe and backed up then go put them there. No shame in that.

jnordwick 9y ago
> recover access if you can prove your identity So hackable, you're saying?
- wereHamster 9y ago
  Like banks. The discussion is turning in circles. People lose coins. Have a backup. Too difficult. Put them in a bank. Banks are hackable. Manage the coins yourself. But then I might lose them. (you can replace bank with 'trusted third-party', doesn't change the outcome) Consider the two options: self-managed, or in a trusted third-party. Whichever has the smaller (perceived) risk, that's where you store your coins. Not everybody asses risk equally, and that's fine. My preferred solution may not be the same as your preferred solution. That's fine, still.
  - jnordwick 9y ago
    Fiat banks can recover money though - cash can be found and transactions unwound - and there are techniques to poison what is stolen without permanently decreasing the money supply. Freezing a wallet basically destroys the btc forever with no way to print more.
    - wereHamster 9y ago
      And the bitcoin software is written in stone, can never be changed.
      - mort96 9y ago
        Basically, yeah. I mean, the wallet software is obviously open source, and you can change it however you want of course, but allowing for transactions to be undone would basically require rewriting the entire protocol and everything which interacts with the bitcoin network - and that's if it's even possible in the first place, without removing vital parts of bitcoin like the decentralization or being able to trust the entire network without trusting any one entity.

junk_f00d 9y ago

Glacier Protocol offers a solution. https://glacierprotocol.org/releases/Glacier%20Protocol%20Document%20v0.91%20Beta.pdf https://glacierprotocol.org/releases/Glacier%20Protocol%20Do...

aeternus 9y ago
To call that a solution is generous.. it is unlikely the average person could follow the Glacier Protocol.