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> This has to be some of the worst customer support I’ve ever seen. Actually, the OP is not a customer. A customer is someone who delivers money. Upwork treate

> This has to be some of the worst customer support I’ve ever seen. Actually, the OP is not a customer. A customer is someone who delivers money. Upwork treated their actual customer quite well: they refunded him and talked to him like human beings - even told him the reason why the OP was suspended.

odonnellryan 9y ago
This is a really good point and it is the reason why Upwork is good for one group of people, people who need to find workers, and bad for the workers. I do not think that is very sustainable long-term... I think you'll be able to find much better quality workers in system that is more equitable. However, systems like that don't exist.
- mrhappyunhappy 9y ago
  I've been wanting to create a system that is more equitable but concluded that humans would rather take advantage of one another than be fair when it comes to paying. I think freelancers are a major part of the problem, especially those who are very desperate for work. For an equitable system to exist you must be someone who is ready to say no at any point of the getting to know the project phase. As a designer i find it easier to close deals on the phone and imagine other experienced freelancers operate the same way. Unfortunately a call based system is inherently wrong for an online platform that aims to earn profit on project fees. The reason upwork has been successful is because it charges fee on a project vs charging the customer or freelancer a flat fee and sadly such setup is not ideal for a freelancer who may be looking at projects in the tens of thousands range.
  - odonnellryan 9y ago
    I think you might have tried to solve the wrong problem. The problem you actually seem to want to solve is a way for clients to get connected with people who can solve their problems. The problem is not, as you seem to be hinting at, some mediation or escrow for freelancers, which is what the majority of Upwork is. I think you could have a great system that "puts people in touch with each other" in a professional way. Maybe invite-only? Hmm.
kahlonel 9y ago
Actually OP IS a customer. Upwork gets 20% out of his pay for being a glorified invoice generator.
- vkou 9y ago
  Employees of a temp agency are not customers, even though the agency takes XY% of 'their' pay. If you do enough mental gymnastics to argue that they are... Well, then the word has lost all meaning.
- dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure Upwork doesn't seem it that way, as their actions clearly show.

odonnellryan 9y ago

This is a really good point and it is the reason why Upwork is good for one group of people, people who need to find workers, and bad for the workers. I do not think that is very sustainable long-term... I think you'll be able to find much better quality workers in system that is more equitable. However, systems like that don't exist.

mrhappyunhappy 9y ago
I've been wanting to create a system that is more equitable but concluded that humans would rather take advantage of one another than be fair when it comes to paying. I think freelancers are a major part of the problem, especially those who are very desperate for work. For an equitable system to exist you must be someone who is ready to say no at any point of the getting to know the project phase. As a designer i find it easier to close deals on the phone and imagine other experienced freelancers operate the same way. Unfortunately a call based system is inherently wrong for an online platform that aims to earn profit on project fees. The reason upwork has been successful is because it charges fee on a project vs charging the customer or freelancer a flat fee and sadly such setup is not ideal for a freelancer who may be looking at projects in the tens of thousands range.
- odonnellryan 9y ago
  I think you might have tried to solve the wrong problem. The problem you actually seem to want to solve is a way for clients to get connected with people who can solve their problems. The problem is not, as you seem to be hinting at, some mediation or escrow for freelancers, which is what the majority of Upwork is. I think you could have a great system that "puts people in touch with each other" in a professional way. Maybe invite-only? Hmm.

kahlonel 9y ago

Actually OP IS a customer. Upwork gets 20% out of his pay for being a glorified invoice generator.

vkou 9y ago
Employees of a temp agency are not customers, even though the agency takes XY% of 'their' pay. If you do enough mental gymnastics to argue that they are... Well, then the word has lost all meaning.
dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
I'm pretty sure Upwork doesn't seem it that way, as their actions clearly show.