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> It does not matter. Just keep launching as fast as you can and see what works. Just think of it as throwing spaghettis on the wall and see what sticks. I get

> It does not matter. Just keep launching as fast as you can and see what works. Just think of it as throwing spaghettis on the wall and see what sticks. I get that you can't do what you love and expect to make money. But this feels like it's gone too far. It seems like true greatness and satisfaction requires just a little bit of intent above just making easy money. I guess if easy money is your only goal this would be satisfying.

justherefortart 9y ago
Money is freedom. You can do a lot more projects that tickle your "true greatness and satisfaction" when you're not worrying where your next check is coming in.
- double0jimb0 9y ago
  How upset would you be if “Money is freedom” isn’t true? I think your setting yourself up for some disappointment with that one.
  - rm_-rf_slash 9y ago
    It’s all relative. No amount of wealth can buy time or immortality, but having very little money means less choice in where you live, how you get from place to place, how you eat, how you dress, the medicines and treatments you receive when you are sick (if at all), and so on. Moderate wealth certainly means more freedom than little to no wealth. Edit: I just recalled a quora question a while back when somebody asked about the drawbacks of being a billionaire compared to a millionaire. One perspective was that while a millionaire could go for a Sunday drive in a nice car with the spouse and kids at the drop of a hat, a billionaire may have to schedule their transportation around security parameters and travel with bodyguards because their wealth can make them a target. So in some ways, too much money can make life less free.
  - justherefortart 9y ago
    Why would I be upset that "you're" opinion differs? I'm referring to a lifetime of what I've seen, perhaps your life experience is different.
  - withdavidli 9y ago
    When a person has a large quantity of money, they have the luxury to disregard money as a factor in their decision making. That’s how I think OP is interpreting it, not as money is a panacea for a fulling life. But money enables you pursue many things that a person with little money can.
    - groby_b 9y ago
      > When a person has a large quantity of money, they have the luxury to disregard money as a factor in their decision making. That quantity is large enough that getting there changes you. Choose wisely.
    - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
      Very few people, even among the rich have "enough" money that they disregard money as a factor in their decision making. To a certain extent they actually consider it more because they are trying to figure out how to preserve what they have.
      - cortesoft 9y ago
        In my experience, that isn't completely true. Sure, as you get more financial committments, you start needing the money more. However, having extra money makes so many things less stressful. When I was younger and poorer, car trouble was a huge stress. Did I have enough money to fix it? What was I going to cut out? Would I wreck the car, costing me more money, if I keep driving it? Now, I just take the car to the shop and don't even think about it. Hungry and see a good restaurant? Just go. Get in a minor accident, or get a parking ticket? No big deal, doesn't ruin the day. I mean, money certainly is still a factor in decisions, but there are a LOT of decisions that cost a small enough amount of money that you don't worry about it. Everyone has a level where, if things are cheaper than that, they don't worry about it; as you get more money, more and more things fall into that category.
        frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
        Well sure, I think there's some figure about how increasing income up to $70k makes you happier and then it doesn't anymore, that seems about right in that it's mainly about being securely 'not poor'. Moving beyond that and in to the extreme wealth zone many are concerned about making their good fortune last, watching the markets everyday, that sort of thing.
- intrasight 9y ago
  If you believe this to generally be true, then I warrant that you don't know enough people with "money".
  - dev1n 9y ago
    there's a massive difference between freedom money and burdensome money. Mindset around the value of money also plays a huge role.
  - AFNobody 9y ago
    I think you are confusing people who want to be free from working from someone they don't like with people who have an unhealthy relationship with money and/or life in general. Freedom from financial worry and working for people you would avoid except for money is the sort of freedom most people don't have. And while you might argue I don't know enough people with "money", I can assure you that isn't true. Its unfortunate some people with serious financial resources have an unhealthy relationship with money/life but that is far from everyone.
jadc 9y ago
Not really. The author is advocating to not be too attached from an ego perspective to an idea and trying different things to see what actually works. That's different from saying you can't do what you love and expect to make money.
mathgeek 9y ago
> I get that you can't do what you love and expect to make money. While not everyone gets to work on what they love, you can also take the mindset of finding something that you can love to work on.
lj3 9y ago
Running a business is a skill. How do you learn skills? By failing over and over until you get it right.
HeyLaughingBoy 9y ago
I don't get this. Why does everything need to be "True greatness and satisfaction?" Why can't it simply about just paying the bills?
dang 9y ago
This comment breaks the HN guideline which asks: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." We have this rule because when people don't do this, it leads to shallower, more predictable discussion. It does take a bit of conscious readjustment to run one's posts through at least one pass of this process, but if you do you'll soon notice how much better they become, and/or possibly also fewer. Either way, signal/noise goes up. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

justherefortart 9y ago

Money is freedom. You can do a lot more projects that tickle your "true greatness and satisfaction" when you're not worrying where your next check is coming in.

double0jimb0 9y ago
How upset would you be if “Money is freedom” isn’t true? I think your setting yourself up for some disappointment with that one.
- rm_-rf_slash 9y ago
  It’s all relative. No amount of wealth can buy time or immortality, but having very little money means less choice in where you live, how you get from place to place, how you eat, how you dress, the medicines and treatments you receive when you are sick (if at all), and so on. Moderate wealth certainly means more freedom than little to no wealth. Edit: I just recalled a quora question a while back when somebody asked about the drawbacks of being a billionaire compared to a millionaire. One perspective was that while a millionaire could go for a Sunday drive in a nice car with the spouse and kids at the drop of a hat, a billionaire may have to schedule their transportation around security parameters and travel with bodyguards because their wealth can make them a target. So in some ways, too much money can make life less free.
- justherefortart 9y ago
  Why would I be upset that "you're" opinion differs? I'm referring to a lifetime of what I've seen, perhaps your life experience is different.
- withdavidli 9y ago
  When a person has a large quantity of money, they have the luxury to disregard money as a factor in their decision making. That’s how I think OP is interpreting it, not as money is a panacea for a fulling life. But money enables you pursue many things that a person with little money can.
  - groby_b 9y ago
    > When a person has a large quantity of money, they have the luxury to disregard money as a factor in their decision making. That quantity is large enough that getting there changes you. Choose wisely.
  - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
    Very few people, even among the rich have "enough" money that they disregard money as a factor in their decision making. To a certain extent they actually consider it more because they are trying to figure out how to preserve what they have.
    - cortesoft 9y ago
      In my experience, that isn't completely true. Sure, as you get more financial committments, you start needing the money more. However, having extra money makes so many things less stressful. When I was younger and poorer, car trouble was a huge stress. Did I have enough money to fix it? What was I going to cut out? Would I wreck the car, costing me more money, if I keep driving it? Now, I just take the car to the shop and don't even think about it. Hungry and see a good restaurant? Just go. Get in a minor accident, or get a parking ticket? No big deal, doesn't ruin the day. I mean, money certainly is still a factor in decisions, but there are a LOT of decisions that cost a small enough amount of money that you don't worry about it. Everyone has a level where, if things are cheaper than that, they don't worry about it; as you get more money, more and more things fall into that category.
      - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
        Well sure, I think there's some figure about how increasing income up to $70k makes you happier and then it doesn't anymore, that seems about right in that it's mainly about being securely 'not poor'. Moving beyond that and in to the extreme wealth zone many are concerned about making their good fortune last, watching the markets everyday, that sort of thing.
intrasight 9y ago
If you believe this to generally be true, then I warrant that you don't know enough people with "money".
- dev1n 9y ago
  there's a massive difference between freedom money and burdensome money. Mindset around the value of money also plays a huge role.
- AFNobody 9y ago
  I think you are confusing people who want to be free from working from someone they don't like with people who have an unhealthy relationship with money and/or life in general. Freedom from financial worry and working for people you would avoid except for money is the sort of freedom most people don't have. And while you might argue I don't know enough people with "money", I can assure you that isn't true. Its unfortunate some people with serious financial resources have an unhealthy relationship with money/life but that is far from everyone.

jadc 9y ago

Not really. The author is advocating to not be too attached from an ego perspective to an idea and trying different things to see what actually works. That's different from saying you can't do what you love and expect to make money.

mathgeek 9y ago

> I get that you can't do what you love and expect to make money. While not everyone gets to work on what they love, you can also take the mindset of finding something that you can love to work on.

lj3 9y ago

Running a business is a skill. How do you learn skills? By failing over and over until you get it right.

HeyLaughingBoy 9y ago

I don't get this. Why does everything need to be "True greatness and satisfaction?" Why can't it simply about just paying the bills?

dang 9y ago

This comment breaks the HN guideline which asks: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." We have this rule because when people don't do this, it leads to shallower, more predictable discussion. It does take a bit of conscious readjustment to run one's posts through at least one pass of this process, but if you do you'll soon notice how much better they become, and/or possibly also fewer. Either way, signal/noise goes up. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html