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RVM (Ruby Version Manager): seriously?

3 points by etix 16y ago

briandoll 16y ago
Wow, this is the first time I really wished I could down vote an article on HN. Wayne, the author or RVM is a smart and incredibly nice guy who is very open to evolving RVM to include new techniques. He is a model open source citizen and RVM has helped a great many. Regarding this post, spewing angry criticism without moving the conversation forward is just sad, and I'm really glad I don't have to interact with Lucas on a regular basis. Regardless of the brash and unhelpful tone of the post, Wayne still models the selfless open source maintainer by attempting to pull out any value that may be hidden behind all the rhetoric.
- bhiggins 16y ago
  And what exactly do you think of Lucas's criticism on a technical level?
  - briandoll 16y ago
    RVM has just announced reaching the 1.0 milestone. RVM is insanely useful to the many Ruby developers that use it. Lucas doesn't appear to use it, but is instead poking at the source from the perspective of security and strictness within the shell. I'm sure many of his points are valid and RVM could be more explicit, more strict, and support a wider swath of environments. Wayne, in fact, within the comments on this article, is trying to tease out actionable directives from Lucas' criticisms. The real issue here, from my perspective, is that Lucas is burying what may be good technical feedback inside an angry ranting blog post. What good does that do? I'm not sure I'd be as open to feedback as Wayne has been, coming from someone that sounded like Lucas.
    - bhiggins 16y ago
      Is Lucas providing good technical feedback or not? You seem to want to bury the technical feedback as well. That doesn't help anybody.
      - briandoll 16y ago
        No, he is not. Good technical feedback is actionable. All else is ego-boosting, regardless of its merit.
jameskilton 16y ago
And the point of this article is? Seriously, it's nothing but bashing a library for no point or reason. And who cares if it's ever "accepted into Debian"? Bashing with no solution or attempt to help fix problems? Sorry, but this is nothing but flame-bait. RVM is a terrific piece of software that has made my life as a maintainer of multiple ruby libraries so much easier. Wayne is an awesome developer who's always ready to help people, super accepting of patches to any part of his projects, and is just an all around great guy.
- bhiggins 16y ago
  I don't know Wayne or Lucas but I think the point of the article was to criticize RVM's code. Far from flame-bait. Maybe you are being too sensitive.
Vitaly 16y ago
To: Ignorant debian developer. Subject: RVM is better then the shit you got in your repo Ruby and especially rubygems in debian are so braindead that lots (most?) of people that choose debian for its other great features have to compile their own rubies and gems. RVM solves a real pain, while Debian ruby/gems packages only inflict more of it.

3 points by etix 16y ago

Wow, this is the first time I really wished I could down vote an article on HN. Wayne, the author or RVM is a smart and incredibly nice guy who is very open to evolving RVM to include new techniques. He is a model open source citizen and RVM has helped a great many. Regarding this post, spewing angry criticism without moving the conversation forward is just sad, and I'm really glad I don't have to interact with Lucas on a regular basis. Regardless of the brash and unhelpful tone of the post, Wayne still models the selfless open source maintainer by attempting to pull out any value that may be hidden behind all the rhetoric.

bhiggins 16y ago
And what exactly do you think of Lucas's criticism on a technical level?
- briandoll 16y ago
  RVM has just announced reaching the 1.0 milestone. RVM is insanely useful to the many Ruby developers that use it. Lucas doesn't appear to use it, but is instead poking at the source from the perspective of security and strictness within the shell. I'm sure many of his points are valid and RVM could be more explicit, more strict, and support a wider swath of environments. Wayne, in fact, within the comments on this article, is trying to tease out actionable directives from Lucas' criticisms. The real issue here, from my perspective, is that Lucas is burying what may be good technical feedback inside an angry ranting blog post. What good does that do? I'm not sure I'd be as open to feedback as Wayne has been, coming from someone that sounded like Lucas.
  - bhiggins 16y ago
    Is Lucas providing good technical feedback or not? You seem to want to bury the technical feedback as well. That doesn't help anybody.
    - briandoll 16y ago
      No, he is not. Good technical feedback is actionable. All else is ego-boosting, regardless of its merit.

jameskilton 16y ago

And the point of this article is? Seriously, it's nothing but bashing a library for no point or reason. And who cares if it's ever "accepted into Debian"? Bashing with no solution or attempt to help fix problems? Sorry, but this is nothing but flame-bait. RVM is a terrific piece of software that has made my life as a maintainer of multiple ruby libraries so much easier. Wayne is an awesome developer who's always ready to help people, super accepting of patches to any part of his projects, and is just an all around great guy.

bhiggins 16y ago
I don't know Wayne or Lucas but I think the point of the article was to criticize RVM's code. Far from flame-bait. Maybe you are being too sensitive.

Vitaly 16y ago

To: Ignorant debian developer. Subject: RVM is better then the shit you got in your repo Ruby and especially rubygems in debian are so braindead that lots (most?) of people that choose debian for its other great features have to compile their own rubies and gems. RVM solves a real pain, while Debian ruby/gems packages only inflict more of it.