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How can any self-respecting programmer at FB work on a project like this? At least most of the IE6 toolbar spyware had some useful purpose for the end-user... s

How can any self-respecting programmer at FB work on a project like this? At least most of the IE6 toolbar spyware had some useful purpose for the end-user... smileys, pagerank, search bar etc... This on the other hand is straight up deception in my mind. Hot air. Prove me wrong? What benefit does anyone get from installing this?

draw_down 9y ago
Programmers typically don’t work on mergers and acquisitions.
bubblethink 9y ago
Google does it too. It kicks in when you are on public wifi if you opt in. It's a vpn app at the end of the day that's optional. I don't see much reason for all the outcry. Assuming a majority of the web moves to https soon (going by the chrome roadmap), you are only giving second order data like dns to the vpn or isp. And I don't see much reason to trust isps more than Google/FB.
tushar-r 9y ago
>How can any self-respecting programmer at FB work on a project like this? You mean like the hundreds who work on Deep packet inspection technology?
- hetspookjee 9y ago
  Catch child predators and terrorism seems like a probable rationalisation.
Grangar 9y ago
We need something like a Hippocratic Oath for IT professionals.
- TomMarius 9y ago
  We might need it but it's of course impossible given how easy it is even for a child to get started in professional IT.
  - IntronExon 9y ago
    Have a software equivalent of the AMA, have licenses to practice, and that’s solved.
    - TomMarius 9y ago
      Not even close. There is Tor, there is Bitcoin. Also do you realise how much would this ruin IT?
      - IntronExon 9y ago
        It would ruin the “Wild West” and it’s about god damned time.
        TomMarius 9y ago
        It would do nothing about the "wild west", it'd just make it even worse. And no, there is zero reason why such a regulation would be justified.
        IntronExon 9y ago
        How would regulation and self-policing make things worse? And really zero reason? That sounds like an ideological rather than a rational position to me.
        TomMarius 9y ago
        So what is the rational reason you're talking about? Respectfully, I don't think you know what you're talking about at all. Do you have any kind of experience or knowledge about macroeconomics or economics at all? Let's see what would happen: - the government will soon require degree to be accepted, ruining the nonexistent entry barrier we have right now. Why? The government has incentives not to allow as much people as possible, but the opposite: to have as little work as possible because there would be no free market competition. - how does this regulation work? Every software developer has to be allowed to write SW? Every software that is used has to be written by people who have passed the test? Will you forbid importing software? Because if no, then this will just extremely increase prices and everything will be outsourced to foreign countries. - what about foreign software such as Linux? What about software where some contributors are anonymous? - do you really think that people who focus so much on their freedom and privacy will accept this or will they rather find a workaround? All in all, this would ruin the IT market in the US. Please do it! I would love to sell my services to the US for at least triple the price. Did you even think about this? Please stop going around and suggesting such destructive social experiments without even giving any real arguments.
beckler 9y ago
Unfortunately, ethics is not a course taught in most college majors, and is virtually non-existent in public schools.
- sli 9y ago
  Is it not? Every major at my STEM uni was required to take an ethics course. Sometimes multiple, depending on the field.
  - douko 9y ago
    I graduated relatively recently, and only had to take one- it turned out to be a semester long "piracy is bad" course.
- geezerjay 9y ago
  Ethics courses don't make anyone more or less ethical. If lectures were any effective in shaping anyone's moral compass, church services wouldn't happen so often.
samfisher83 9y ago
For money. Most people do a job to make money so they can take care of their family etc. Facebook tends to pay pretty well.
tebugst 9y ago
Well then will FB work ? Which part of FB is respected ?

draw_down 9y ago

Programmers typically don’t work on mergers and acquisitions.

bubblethink 9y ago

Google does it too. It kicks in when you are on public wifi if you opt in. It's a vpn app at the end of the day that's optional. I don't see much reason for all the outcry. Assuming a majority of the web moves to https soon (going by the chrome roadmap), you are only giving second order data like dns to the vpn or isp. And I don't see much reason to trust isps more than Google/FB.

tushar-r 9y ago

>How can any self-respecting programmer at FB work on a project like this? You mean like the hundreds who work on Deep packet inspection technology?

hetspookjee 9y ago
Catch child predators and terrorism seems like a probable rationalisation.

Grangar 9y ago

We need something like a Hippocratic Oath for IT professionals.

TomMarius 9y ago
We might need it but it's of course impossible given how easy it is even for a child to get started in professional IT.
- IntronExon 9y ago
  Have a software equivalent of the AMA, have licenses to practice, and that’s solved.
  - TomMarius 9y ago
    Not even close. There is Tor, there is Bitcoin. Also do you realise how much would this ruin IT?
    - IntronExon 9y ago
      It would ruin the “Wild West” and it’s about god damned time.
      - TomMarius 9y ago
        It would do nothing about the "wild west", it'd just make it even worse. And no, there is zero reason why such a regulation would be justified.
        IntronExon 9y ago
        How would regulation and self-policing make things worse? And really zero reason? That sounds like an ideological rather than a rational position to me.
        TomMarius 9y ago
        So what is the rational reason you're talking about? Respectfully, I don't think you know what you're talking about at all. Do you have any kind of experience or knowledge about macroeconomics or economics at all? Let's see what would happen: - the government will soon require degree to be accepted, ruining the nonexistent entry barrier we have right now. Why? The government has incentives not to allow as much people as possible, but the opposite: to have as little work as possible because there would be no free market competition. - how does this regulation work? Every software developer has to be allowed to write SW? Every software that is used has to be written by people who have passed the test? Will you forbid importing software? Because if no, then this will just extremely increase prices and everything will be outsourced to foreign countries. - what about foreign software such as Linux? What about software where some contributors are anonymous? - do you really think that people who focus so much on their freedom and privacy will accept this or will they rather find a workaround? All in all, this would ruin the IT market in the US. Please do it! I would love to sell my services to the US for at least triple the price. Did you even think about this? Please stop going around and suggesting such destructive social experiments without even giving any real arguments.

beckler 9y ago

Unfortunately, ethics is not a course taught in most college majors, and is virtually non-existent in public schools.

sli 9y ago
Is it not? Every major at my STEM uni was required to take an ethics course. Sometimes multiple, depending on the field.
- douko 9y ago
  I graduated relatively recently, and only had to take one- it turned out to be a semester long "piracy is bad" course.
geezerjay 9y ago
Ethics courses don't make anyone more or less ethical. If lectures were any effective in shaping anyone's moral compass, church services wouldn't happen so often.

samfisher83 9y ago

For money. Most people do a job to make money so they can take care of their family etc. Facebook tends to pay pretty well.

tebugst 9y ago

Well then will FB work ? Which part of FB is respected ?