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Firstly, $4 a gallon is not expensive. Secondly up until 2008 Europe produced pretty much the same amount of oil as the USA, parts of Europe are incredibly oil

by orf 9y ago

Firstly, $4 a gallon is not expensive. Secondly up until 2008 Europe produced pretty much the same amount of oil as the USA, parts of Europe are incredibly oil rich. Thirdly there are huge negative externalities to having such a ridiculously high volume of carbon emissions per capita[1][2]. You can't throw your arms up and say "oh it's just the American way, sorry environment/health, there is just no damn way we can stop the ridiculously disproportionate per-capita CO2 emissions! Sorry world, but we like our big ass trucks, what can we do about it? drive more fuel efficient vehicles? pffftt". I mean in what world is that a defense. Because people like something doesn't mean it's OK, or action should not be taken to curb that like for the greater good. 1. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0SwXvk1C0D_VWLPlU2CS2TlcTCmKGuvS0lIaWXjpu4/edit#gid=1 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S0SwXvk1C0D_VWLPlU2C... 2. https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2009/mar/01/carbon-emissions-automotive-industry https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2009/mar/01/carbon...

dsfyu404ed 9y ago
>Firstly, $4 a gallon is not expensive Yes it is. Just because someone somewhere has it worse doesn't mean it's not bad. >You can't throw your arms up and say "oh it's just the American way, sorry environment/health, there is just no damn way we can stop the ridiculously disproportionate per-capita CO2 emissions! Sorry world, but we like our big ass trucks, what can we do about it? drive more fuel efficient vehicles? pffftt". I mean in what world is that a defense. As much as you and I might not like it yes you can. Part of living in a society is putting up with societal norms. Taxes, indifference to dragnet surveillance, acceptance of fuel inefficient vehicles, a love of fast food, under-appreciation for small business, etc, etc. You can't hand wave away the majority opinion (or indifference) as hand waving. If you don't like it then you have to convince a critical mass of people to work to change it.
- orf 9y ago
  > If you don't like it then you have to convince a critical mass of people to work to change it. Great idea, lets convince car companies to sell more economical cars through regulations/tax breaks/whatever, and have them do the work to change public opinion.
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    Unfortunately the politicians who propose this tend to get replaced, due to lobbyism, and the average voter's general ignorance. People don't want to face the fact that they're doing something bad. They want to live in la-la land.

by orf 9y ago

dsfyu404ed 9y ago

>Firstly, $4 a gallon is not expensive Yes it is. Just because someone somewhere has it worse doesn't mean it's not bad. >You can't throw your arms up and say "oh it's just the American way, sorry environment/health, there is just no damn way we can stop the ridiculously disproportionate per-capita CO2 emissions! Sorry world, but we like our big ass trucks, what can we do about it? drive more fuel efficient vehicles? pffftt". I mean in what world is that a defense. As much as you and I might not like it yes you can. Part of living in a society is putting up with societal norms. Taxes, indifference to dragnet surveillance, acceptance of fuel inefficient vehicles, a love of fast food, under-appreciation for small business, etc, etc. You can't hand wave away the majority opinion (or indifference) as hand waving. If you don't like it then you have to convince a critical mass of people to work to change it.

orf 9y ago
> If you don't like it then you have to convince a critical mass of people to work to change it. Great idea, lets convince car companies to sell more economical cars through regulations/tax breaks/whatever, and have them do the work to change public opinion.
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  Unfortunately the politicians who propose this tend to get replaced, due to lobbyism, and the average voter's general ignorance. People don't want to face the fact that they're doing something bad. They want to live in la-la land.