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> 1., If you store data of EU residents, you are under EU jurisdiction (GDPR) and can be targeted by fines. Anyone can claim jurisdiction. Enforcement is anoth

> 1., If you store data of EU residents, you are under EU jurisdiction (GDPR) and can be targeted by fines. Anyone can claim jurisdiction. Enforcement is another matter entirely. If there is no presence in Europe, I can't imagine how the they would collect.

jacquesm 9y ago
Yes, unfortunately, in the case of FB there is.
- chrisper 9y ago
  Unfortunately?
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    For them. Fortunately for the rest of us, they have a solid foot on the ground both in NL and Ireland.
    - chrisper 9y ago
      I see. For a second it seemed you were defending Facebook!
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        > For a second it seemed you were defending Facebook! I would not rule it out on principle but it is highly unlikely. If FB were to be shut down tomorrow I would probably not even notice.
        krick 9y ago
        > If FB were to be shut down tomorrow I would probably not even notice. Based just on the fact that you are on HN, this is, uhm... highly unlikely. By the way, I wonder how it would actually look like. I mean, if FB was actually blocked in Germany or something like that, I imagine people (the victims of FB crimes) would very much vocally defend FB, claiming they don't give a fuck about their privacy. Which I cannot decide if it's funny or not.
falcolas 9y ago
If you're large enough to be noticed and fined, you've probably got a corporate presence in EU; if only for the tax benefits. I've worked with companies as small as 200 people who have a presence in the EU.
yxhuvud 9y ago
Perhaps not so surprisingly, most people that would want to pay money for data on European data, resides in Europe. And if you receive payments from Europe, you are definitely in the jurisdiction.
robryan 9y ago
Depends on the treaties setup with the US, assuming that is where the company is based. It may be possible to take some EU judgements to a US court and have them enforce it.
jimnotgym 9y ago
I would target the channels whereby the funds from their massive advertising sales are being routed, probably Facebook have no business in the EU unless they are selling advertising to EU companies

jacquesm 9y ago

Yes, unfortunately, in the case of FB there is.

chrisper 9y ago
Unfortunately?
- jacquesm 9y ago
  For them. Fortunately for the rest of us, they have a solid foot on the ground both in NL and Ireland.
  - chrisper 9y ago
    I see. For a second it seemed you were defending Facebook!
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      > For a second it seemed you were defending Facebook! I would not rule it out on principle but it is highly unlikely. If FB were to be shut down tomorrow I would probably not even notice.
      - krick 9y ago
        > If FB were to be shut down tomorrow I would probably not even notice. Based just on the fact that you are on HN, this is, uhm... highly unlikely. By the way, I wonder how it would actually look like. I mean, if FB was actually blocked in Germany or something like that, I imagine people (the victims of FB crimes) would very much vocally defend FB, claiming they don't give a fuck about their privacy. Which I cannot decide if it's funny or not.

falcolas 9y ago

If you're large enough to be noticed and fined, you've probably got a corporate presence in EU; if only for the tax benefits. I've worked with companies as small as 200 people who have a presence in the EU.

yxhuvud 9y ago

Perhaps not so surprisingly, most people that would want to pay money for data on European data, resides in Europe. And if you receive payments from Europe, you are definitely in the jurisdiction.

robryan 9y ago

Depends on the treaties setup with the US, assuming that is where the company is based. It may be possible to take some EU judgements to a US court and have them enforce it.

jimnotgym 9y ago

I would target the channels whereby the funds from their massive advertising sales are being routed, probably Facebook have no business in the EU unless they are selling advertising to EU companies