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Deeply unattractive business environment for companies exploiting people's personal data without their consent? Good.
by lima 9y ago
Deeply unattractive business environment for companies exploiting people's personal data without their consent?
Good.
- TomMarius 9y agoYou can stop using Facebook if you want to
- clarkenheim 9y agoYou can stop Facebook from using you as well in the EU.
- meddlepal 9y agoSo you're effectively stealing then? Your data is your payment to Facebook.
- toomuchtodo 9y agoWill Facebook remove all of my personal data and attest to no longer collecting any future data from my online of offline activities?
- TomMarius 9y agoDunno man, did you give them your personal data? If yes, then according to the TOS it's theirs. If not, there's no problem.
- toomuchtodo 9y agoWhere is the ToS you agree to for the involuntary profiles they create of you if you've never used their service? https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html "Facebook is well understood as being a major customer of third-party data-brokers, who compile huge dossiers on people based on their spending, internet and phone usage, employment history and so on. In addition, Facebook encourages users to upload their entire address books to the system to "find your friends," and users generally don't appreciate that they may be leaking sensitive information, including nicknames, private numbers, and connections to the system. Facebook mines this data to create "shadow profiles" of its billions of users. These are profiles that are filled with data about you that you have never consciously provided to the system -- data mined from third parties, including your friends, but also those spooky data-brokers. Facebook's shadow profile system was first confirmed in 2013 when it accidentally leaked users' shadow profiles to them along with their own data, something the company says it will never do again out of (ironic) respect for the privacy of the people who provided the data that goes into your shadow profile. Facebook's shadow profiles are involuntary and there's no opt-out. Facebook has shadow profiles on people who don't use the service. For example, even though I'm not a Facebook user, multiple people have uploaded their address books containing my email and phone number to the system, allowing Facebook to create a profile of my contacts by looking at who lists me as a contact."
- TomMarius 9y agoThere's the cookie notice that every website with FB tracking code has to display to you and not track you until you give consent (e.g. by continuing to use the site). If your friends do something you don't like like uploading photos of you, FB has nothing to do with it - it's your friends who gave them the info and lied that the data they upload is uploadef rightfully.
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- s73v3r_ 9y agoAnd why is that a good or acceptable thing? Why should one's personal data, and how that's used, be paramount?
- TomMarius 9y agoBecause nobody forces you to use websites that track you or Facebook itself. It's your voluntary choice and in many cases also your payment for the seemingly free service.
- madez 9y agoAccording to the law, you have to give certain rights to the user, including the right to demand cease of use and deletion of the data. So, you do not own the data and are not free to use it however you wish.
- TomMarius 9y agoThat's an EU law, FB is US company.
- madez 9y agoIt is of no matter where FB is incorporated. Every country can still bring it to court and judge it. The question is then of enforceability. I'm confident the EU can enforce fines on FB, but that is a different discussion.
- TomMarius 9y agoWas there ever a single case of something like the EU successfully fining an US company for breaking laws that don't apply to the company?
- sveme 9y agoThey are collecting information about me even without my consent, without having registered.
- TomMarius 9y agoThat's not true. That's the purpose of the cookie law. If you continue to use a website that gives you the notice, you've given consent. You can still use blockers also.
- s73v3r_ 9y agoAnd if someone tags me in a photo?
- TomMarius 9y agoThen they uploaded a picture they shouldn't have uploaded and the person who uploaded it should be sued (by you and possibly by Facebook because they broke the TOS that says you can only upload stuff that doesn't break the laws - and a photo of you that you didn't agree to be uploaded is against the laws)
- rhizome 9y agoa photo of you that you didn't agree to be uploaded is against the laws I've never heard of this before, is it a part of GDPR?
- TomMarius 9y agoNo, it's part of the basic privacy protection laws that every EU coutry has had for decades. It's the same law that says you can't share videos taken with a dashcam if you're recording in the public.
- mziel 9y agoIt's not "consent" as understood by GPDR and ePrivacy. You had no recourse not to give it, therefore it was not willing and informed.
- s73v3r_ 9y agoOr, and this is crazy, I know, but Facebook could follow the rules.
- TomMarius 9y agoAFAIK it follows all US laws to the letter.
- code_duck 9y agoThat would be great if it were true, but even if you don’t use Facebook, that does not exclude you from their marketing activities. https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html
- tobltobs 9y agoFB can stop to have a corporate presence in the EU.
- TomMarius 9y agoI hope they do. That will mean a lot of lost tax money for the EU (I'm EU citizen btw).
- tobltobs 9y agoIt will only hit Ireland. Thanks to some trickery they only pay 0.03% taxes on their revenue in other EU countries. Wont be a big loss.
- TomMarius 9y agoNot true anymore (changed last year after the new VAT laws)
- tobltobs 9y agoThe Irish double doesn't have anything to do with VAT. And the Irish double was replaced with the "Single Malt". It would be a loss for Ireland and Malta, still not a big loss.
- TomMarius 9y agoMost of the tax income EU has from FB is VAT and since they now have to distribute the money to the place where the customer is, it means that all EU countries will be affected.
- llukas 9y agoA lot would be before tax optimization not after ;)
- TomMarius 9y ago
- hamandcheese 9y agoIf you volunteer your data to Facebook I have a hard time considering you to have been “exploited.”
- Grollicus 9y agoActually that's a reason why we need laws like GDPR: I don't have an Facebook account but random websites I visit still have elements embedded from Facebook. I've never agreed for Facebook to store my data but they can only give their word they won't collect my data (which, AFAIK, they don't give). I've got no recourse against this - or maybe I have because Facebook is big enough that it's worth it to create targeted block lists. But against the next 20 smaller companies who do the same? This is why there needs to be something else than just blindly trusting everyone out there. Because someone will not play fair if theres a competitive edge to gain.
- lima 9y agoIf only! Facebook collects plenty of data about non-members.
- s73v3r_ 9y agoI have a hard time considering it "voluteering" considering other people can put data about me up on Facebook and I have no recourse. Further, I fail to see why "voluntering" it is relevant at all.
- jimnotgym 9y agoThey allow users on from the age of 13. It is rather unclear to some children that they are consenting to mass surveillance, rather than just trying to fit in with their friends
- tschwimmer 9y agoI don't have a strong position on the broader issue, but I feel like this argument ignores some context. It's one thing to sign up for your local car wash's loyal program and have them do some lightweight customer research on the data. It's quite another for to input your demographic info and interests into a social networking site and have it be analyzed by some of the most sophisticated data analytics in history. The potential downside/cost to the user is orders of magnitude larger. I think it's a stretch to say the user is giving informed consent to (for example) have their manual photo tagging be used to train a model so that a computer can identify their friend's faces automatically. The average user has no idea such a thing is even possible.
- Trundle 9y agoMfw Giving them the data yourself isn't consent.
- pluma 9y agoMfw you act surprised because your airline is selling pictures of your dirty laundry because you clearly consented by giving them your luggage.