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I know this is one tiny use case, but it's one that's bothered me for some time. I can't change my profile picture without it becoming a huge news story for fam

by Pigo 9y ago

I know this is one tiny use case, but it's one that's bothered me for some time. I can't change my profile picture without it becoming a huge news story for family and "friends" to comment on. I change a little picture of me, remove the event from my timeline, and I still get hokey comments or messages reminding me how bored and lonely everyone I know must be. I severely miss when it was just a place to chat up a cute girl you seen in college, or find out who's going to see NIN, etc.

dieterrams 9y ago
I can’t remember if this still works, but you used to be able to set the privacy of your profile photo to “only me”, which would prevent it from appearing in friends’ news feeds. After a few days or so you could safely set the privacy back to friends or public and be reasonably assured it wouldn’t be seen as its own post. It is completely silly that you have to jump through these hoops, though, assuming it’s even still an option. Btw, hiding something from your timeline has absolutely no effect on whether it appears in friends’ feeds or not. It’s purely about whether people can see if it they go to your timeline. Which is pretty unintuitive and anti-user: if I don’t want something in my timeline, why would I want it showing up in people’s news feeds?
zem 9y ago
I can't comment on a friend's public post without it being broadcast to my timeline! this is the one dark feature that has most affected any good feelings I might have had towards facebook and my usage thereof
- graeme 9y ago
  This has seriously reduced my willingness to comment on posts. Terrible feature.
  - tgb 9y ago
    Absolutely. I don't care if they stumble across it but I never want to broadcast a comment, at least not to people who wouldn't already have seen the post. The worst is when public groups use Facebook as the only way to contact them - I once posted a question about leaving a coat at an event and then got a message from a friend suggesting that I hadn't invited him to the event (it wasn't the kind of thing he thought it was, though). Why. Same for the profile picture change. I accidently put my profile picture to the wrong one of two and haven't changed it since I noticed a few days later that it was wrong and was embarrassed to broadcast this fact to everyone not once but twice.
    - ryandrake 9y ago
      Wouldn't it make more sense to simply assume that anything one posts to the Internet could potentially be broadcast to everyone they know and published on the front page of the New York Times? I don't understand why people think the content they post to a website will be kept private, especially if not keeping it private maximizes shareholder value.
      - tgb 9y ago
        But the thing is, I don't think it maximizes shareholder value. I would engage more with Facebook if my actions were quieter than if not. I don't really care that anyone can see it but broadcasting it is just crazy.
      - p49k 9y ago
        It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. A little tact on the behalf of Facebook’s designers can save people a ton of unneeded frustration, even if it’s technically true that the info is public for people who want to do a thorough search. Just because data is public doesn’t mean that companies can’t be criticized for exposing it in the most annoying ways possible.
      - graeme 9y ago
        Different threat model. Your friend isn't the NSA, and would be thwarted if it weren't broadcast.
- btown 9y ago
  A “broadcast this comment?” prompt after successfully submitting a comment, even a toggle that’s default-on, would solve this elegantly IMO. I have no idea why they don’t do it. Facebook was once great at understanding that people don’t want to draw outside attention to some things that they technically do in public. They seem to have ceded that ground to Snapchat entirely, which is a painful sentence to type.
  - nothrabannosir 9y ago
    > I have no idea why they don’t do it. Not to beat this hackneyed drum to death, but: it’s because you’re not the consumer—you’re the product. They have armies of data scientists optimising their holy interaction metrics to death. They are incentivised to wage a holy war for your eyeballs, and wage a war they will. Every last base point is priceless at their scale. Every single pixel, every possible user story, everything down to the very last detail is optimised for user interaction. If you ever find yourself wondering why they missed something: they didn’t. It’s intentional.
    - sizzle 9y ago
      I agree, "broadcasting" your activity likely increases engagement within your network.
    - mcbits 9y ago
      Even if everything they do today is intentional and quantitatively optimal (color me skeptical), the site is still changing as the world changes and their user/"product" characteristics change. The intentional things they do tomorrow will be different and may address issues like users becoming apprehensive about interacting when it's not clear who will get an e-mail saying "Psst... Hey... We thought you should judge what User has been up to..."
    - kortex 9y ago
      That sounds like a great way to overfit. I do not know exactly when it was, as it was in a lot of ways a "boiling frog" process, but from ~2010-2015 I felt the shift from "user" to "product", fully at the expense of enjoyment and user experience.
- Chathamization 9y ago
  Yep. I stopped using it when realized it was broadcasting comments I was making inside groups to everyone I was connected to. Even if they removed the feature, I wouldn't go back. The fact that they started doing it with absolutely no warning was a pretty good sign that I couldn't trust the company.
- HappyDreamer 9y ago
  My mother is on Facebook, and she doesn't have many many Facebook friends other than me and the closest family. Resulting in Facebook posting an event to her Facebook news feed, whenever I do something on Facebook (because there's not much else to show in her news feed). If I post a comment in a discussion at Facebook, she gets to know about it, and sometimes joins the same discussion she too. Sometimes it's fun to hear what she thinks about the discussions I join. At the same time, feels as if Facebook is in this case a surveillance tool. I know there are other people I'm connected with, who I don't really know who they are and also don't have many other friends at Facebook. Those mostly-strangers-to-me are probably also being sent notifications about everything I do.
- ValentineC 9y ago
  I have a separate account (with no "friends" apart from my main account) just for commenting on anything public, and for posting in public groups.
- cbzbc 9y ago
  Sure, but that's because the post is public - I agree that it probably makes people increasingly unwilling to comment on such things.
icantdrive55 9y ago
"I severely miss when it was just a place to chat up a cute girl" This was the golden ticket, along with FB wasen't creepy. It was "business" focused, and hell, even for family. You were considered antisocial for not being on the rediculious site. Now the cut girl/guy is fish mouthing, begging for likes, has way too many friends, ridiculous "sheep" mouthing off on whatever brings in likes, and those over used thoughts of the day, "Life is difficult on Mooondays"; and the magic is gone. I know now there're really no cute people anymore. They played their cards, for all to see, and it wasen't cute. It was just pathetic. I don't belive the ads, or restrictive user interface caused a few people, in the right demographics, leave. FB, and maybe most social sites will get big, and then die. It's like the popular bar. It's a neat place for 10 years, then slowly dies. There's probally some business law that explains what I have noticed for ever? There's an expiration date on most business that don't keep innovating. Innovating is not just buying competition.

by Pigo 9y ago

dieterrams 9y ago

I can’t remember if this still works, but you used to be able to set the privacy of your profile photo to “only me”, which would prevent it from appearing in friends’ news feeds. After a few days or so you could safely set the privacy back to friends or public and be reasonably assured it wouldn’t be seen as its own post. It is completely silly that you have to jump through these hoops, though, assuming it’s even still an option. Btw, hiding something from your timeline has absolutely no effect on whether it appears in friends’ feeds or not. It’s purely about whether people can see if it they go to your timeline. Which is pretty unintuitive and anti-user: if I don’t want something in my timeline, why would I want it showing up in people’s news feeds?

zem 9y ago

I can't comment on a friend's public post without it being broadcast to my timeline! this is the one dark feature that has most affected any good feelings I might have had towards facebook and my usage thereof

graeme 9y ago
This has seriously reduced my willingness to comment on posts. Terrible feature.
- tgb 9y ago
  Absolutely. I don't care if they stumble across it but I never want to broadcast a comment, at least not to people who wouldn't already have seen the post. The worst is when public groups use Facebook as the only way to contact them - I once posted a question about leaving a coat at an event and then got a message from a friend suggesting that I hadn't invited him to the event (it wasn't the kind of thing he thought it was, though). Why. Same for the profile picture change. I accidently put my profile picture to the wrong one of two and haven't changed it since I noticed a few days later that it was wrong and was embarrassed to broadcast this fact to everyone not once but twice.
  - ryandrake 9y ago
    Wouldn't it make more sense to simply assume that anything one posts to the Internet could potentially be broadcast to everyone they know and published on the front page of the New York Times? I don't understand why people think the content they post to a website will be kept private, especially if not keeping it private maximizes shareholder value.
    - tgb 9y ago
      But the thing is, I don't think it maximizes shareholder value. I would engage more with Facebook if my actions were quieter than if not. I don't really care that anyone can see it but broadcasting it is just crazy.
    - p49k 9y ago
      It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. A little tact on the behalf of Facebook’s designers can save people a ton of unneeded frustration, even if it’s technically true that the info is public for people who want to do a thorough search. Just because data is public doesn’t mean that companies can’t be criticized for exposing it in the most annoying ways possible.
    - graeme 9y ago
      Different threat model. Your friend isn't the NSA, and would be thwarted if it weren't broadcast.
btown 9y ago
A “broadcast this comment?” prompt after successfully submitting a comment, even a toggle that’s default-on, would solve this elegantly IMO. I have no idea why they don’t do it. Facebook was once great at understanding that people don’t want to draw outside attention to some things that they technically do in public. They seem to have ceded that ground to Snapchat entirely, which is a painful sentence to type.
- nothrabannosir 9y ago
  > I have no idea why they don’t do it. Not to beat this hackneyed drum to death, but: it’s because you’re not the consumer—you’re the product. They have armies of data scientists optimising their holy interaction metrics to death. They are incentivised to wage a holy war for your eyeballs, and wage a war they will. Every last base point is priceless at their scale. Every single pixel, every possible user story, everything down to the very last detail is optimised for user interaction. If you ever find yourself wondering why they missed something: they didn’t. It’s intentional.
  - sizzle 9y ago
    I agree, "broadcasting" your activity likely increases engagement within your network.
  - mcbits 9y ago
    Even if everything they do today is intentional and quantitatively optimal (color me skeptical), the site is still changing as the world changes and their user/"product" characteristics change. The intentional things they do tomorrow will be different and may address issues like users becoming apprehensive about interacting when it's not clear who will get an e-mail saying "Psst... Hey... We thought you should judge what User has been up to..."
  - kortex 9y ago
    That sounds like a great way to overfit. I do not know exactly when it was, as it was in a lot of ways a "boiling frog" process, but from ~2010-2015 I felt the shift from "user" to "product", fully at the expense of enjoyment and user experience.
Chathamization 9y ago
Yep. I stopped using it when realized it was broadcasting comments I was making inside groups to everyone I was connected to. Even if they removed the feature, I wouldn't go back. The fact that they started doing it with absolutely no warning was a pretty good sign that I couldn't trust the company.
HappyDreamer 9y ago
My mother is on Facebook, and she doesn't have many many Facebook friends other than me and the closest family. Resulting in Facebook posting an event to her Facebook news feed, whenever I do something on Facebook (because there's not much else to show in her news feed). If I post a comment in a discussion at Facebook, she gets to know about it, and sometimes joins the same discussion she too. Sometimes it's fun to hear what she thinks about the discussions I join. At the same time, feels as if Facebook is in this case a surveillance tool. I know there are other people I'm connected with, who I don't really know who they are and also don't have many other friends at Facebook. Those mostly-strangers-to-me are probably also being sent notifications about everything I do.
ValentineC 9y ago
I have a separate account (with no "friends" apart from my main account) just for commenting on anything public, and for posting in public groups.
cbzbc 9y ago
Sure, but that's because the post is public - I agree that it probably makes people increasingly unwilling to comment on such things.

icantdrive55 9y ago

"I severely miss when it was just a place to chat up a cute girl" This was the golden ticket, along with FB wasen't creepy. It was "business" focused, and hell, even for family. You were considered antisocial for not being on the rediculious site. Now the cut girl/guy is fish mouthing, begging for likes, has way too many friends, ridiculous "sheep" mouthing off on whatever brings in likes, and those over used thoughts of the day, "Life is difficult on Mooondays"; and the magic is gone. I know now there're really no cute people anymore. They played their cards, for all to see, and it wasen't cute. It was just pathetic. I don't belive the ads, or restrictive user interface caused a few people, in the right demographics, leave. FB, and maybe most social sites will get big, and then die. It's like the popular bar. It's a neat place for 10 years, then slowly dies. There's probally some business law that explains what I have noticed for ever? There's an expiration date on most business that don't keep innovating. Innovating is not just buying competition.