> the biggest contribution both languages have made for the future are their respective runtimes and that they allow new languages to adopt those (Clojure, Scal

> the biggest contribution both languages have made for the future are their respective runtimes and that they allow new languages to adopt those (Clojure, Scala, Kotlin, F#...) I'd say that's true of the JVM, where independently developed high-adoption languages Kotlin and Scala have flourished, but not so of the CLR, whose only "new" language of any import is F#, developed by Microsoft themselves and kept in step with C#.