I agree. Maybe I should have been clearer on my views. ORMs are a great tool; the way they are used with the leaky abstraction is what I have a problem with. R

I agree. Maybe I should have been clearer on my views. ORMs are a great tool; the way they are used with the leaky abstraction is what I have a problem with. Restricted to the model layer, they're entirely worth it and provide lots of help.