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Property taxes only make up 1/4th the school budget in CA. Also let's do some math shall we. California has 12.3% illegal immigrant student population. Remove

Property taxes only make up 1/4th the school budget in CA. Also let's do some math shall we. California has 12.3% illegal immigrant student population. Remove them and the same funds that currently exist would be funding 87.7% the current student population. California currently spends $8,694/student. If you remove the illegal immigrants that becomes 8,694/0.877 = ~9913/student. Not great but a $1219/student gain in funds isn't shabby either. FYI california has ~6 Million k-12 students, or in other words the illegals are costing tax payers 6.66 Billion/year in k-12 education. Now reducing our student population by 12.3% would also mean reducing the number of schools. There's likely even greater savings as not everything scales horizontally / sub-horizontally. https://ed100.org/lessons/whopays https://ed100.org/lessons/whopays https://edsource.org/2017/how-does-california-rank-in-per-pupil-spending-it-all-depends/577405 https://edsource.org/2017/how-does-california-rank-in-per-pu...

marcell 9y ago
1. The parents of those children contribute to the economy and pay taxes, and by deporting them you are harming the local economy, and also reducing your tax base. Thus the gain will be less than $1200/yr. 2. Some of the kids of unauthorized immigrants are US citizens, if they were born in the US, so your number 12.3% is not accurate. That is the number who's parents are unauthorized. Edit: According to the source you cite, 80% of the children of unauthorized immigrants are US citizens, much higher than I expected. [1] 3. With proper education, these children will grow up to be productive, contributing members of society as doctors, engineers, etc. They will grow the US economy and pay taxes. [1] http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigrants/ http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigra...: "Children of unauthorized immigrants made up 7.3% of U.S. students enrolled in kindergarten through 12th grade in 2014, though the share varies by state. Most (5.9%) are U.S.-born children who are U.S. citizens at birth. The rest (1.3%) are unauthorized immigrants themselves."
- sheepmullet 9y ago
  > The parents of those children contribute to the economy and pay taxes It's unlikely the parents pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits like free schooling for their kids. And at the same time by working here they illegally decrease wages and jobs for the most marginalized Americans. > Some of the kids of unauthorized immigrants are US citizens They wouldn't be here in the first place if we enforced our immigration laws. > With proper education, these children will grow up to be productive Not with current levels of funding they won't. And I don't see any political will in California to double the education spending per child.
  - Firadeoclus 9y ago
    > It's unlikely the parents pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits like free schooling for their kids. I think it's a mistake to assign the educational benefits people receive (whatever age they are at the time) to their parents.
    - gravy 9y ago
      I think it's valid considering it's usually parents who pay for their children's schooling if it wasn't free. The benefit here is monetary, not academic.
      - Firadeoclus 9y ago
        That's an interesting point. On the other hand, where education is free it is so, to a large extent, because it is considered a worthwhile investment into a society's future.
    - sheepmullet 9y ago
      Why? The money has to come from somewhere. It is a parents duty to provide for their kids. We have a welfare system that can step in when the parents can't take responsibility and this system only works when those parents are a small minority.
  - watwat1 9y ago
    Cant upvote this enough!
  - marcell 9y ago
    > They wouldn't be here in the first place if we enforced our immigration laws. A couple things to consider: 1) This is a nit pick, but remember that many of these children likely have a parent who is a green card holder or US citizen, and another parent who is an unauthorized citizen. 2) More importantly, these children are here, and they are citizens. You can't (or at least, modern societies should not) retroactively revoke citizenship. There are two separate questions here: first is how do we handle/regulate immigration into the country, and second is what do we do about people who are already here? These are related but separate issues. Figuring out how to educate children of unauthorized immigrants is part of the second question. Edit: > Not with current levels of funding they [children of unauthorized immigrants] won't [become doctors and lawyers] It takes time. The America dream works across multiple generations. Studies show that 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants have much higher income than their parents: for example the median income goes from $45k to $58k from 1st to 2nd generation [1] [1] http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/ http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-...

marcell 9y ago

1. The parents of those children contribute to the economy and pay taxes, and by deporting them you are harming the local economy, and also reducing your tax base. Thus the gain will be less than $1200/yr. 2. Some of the kids of unauthorized immigrants are US citizens, if they were born in the US, so your number 12.3% is not accurate. That is the number who's parents are unauthorized. Edit: According to the source you cite, 80% of the children of unauthorized immigrants are US citizens, much higher than I expected. [1] 3. With proper education, these children will grow up to be productive, contributing members of society as doctors, engineers, etc. They will grow the US economy and pay taxes. [1] http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigrants/ http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigra...: "Children of unauthorized immigrants made up 7.3% of U.S. students enrolled in kindergarten through 12th grade in 2014, though the share varies by state. Most (5.9%) are U.S.-born children who are U.S. citizens at birth. The rest (1.3%) are unauthorized immigrants themselves."

sheepmullet 9y ago
> The parents of those children contribute to the economy and pay taxes It's unlikely the parents pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits like free schooling for their kids. And at the same time by working here they illegally decrease wages and jobs for the most marginalized Americans. > Some of the kids of unauthorized immigrants are US citizens They wouldn't be here in the first place if we enforced our immigration laws. > With proper education, these children will grow up to be productive Not with current levels of funding they won't. And I don't see any political will in California to double the education spending per child.
- Firadeoclus 9y ago
  > It's unlikely the parents pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits like free schooling for their kids. I think it's a mistake to assign the educational benefits people receive (whatever age they are at the time) to their parents.
  - gravy 9y ago
    I think it's valid considering it's usually parents who pay for their children's schooling if it wasn't free. The benefit here is monetary, not academic.
    - Firadeoclus 9y ago
      That's an interesting point. On the other hand, where education is free it is so, to a large extent, because it is considered a worthwhile investment into a society's future.
  - sheepmullet 9y ago
    Why? The money has to come from somewhere. It is a parents duty to provide for their kids. We have a welfare system that can step in when the parents can't take responsibility and this system only works when those parents are a small minority.
- watwat1 9y ago
  Cant upvote this enough!
- marcell 9y ago
  > They wouldn't be here in the first place if we enforced our immigration laws. A couple things to consider: 1) This is a nit pick, but remember that many of these children likely have a parent who is a green card holder or US citizen, and another parent who is an unauthorized citizen. 2) More importantly, these children are here, and they are citizens. You can't (or at least, modern societies should not) retroactively revoke citizenship. There are two separate questions here: first is how do we handle/regulate immigration into the country, and second is what do we do about people who are already here? These are related but separate issues. Figuring out how to educate children of unauthorized immigrants is part of the second question. Edit: > Not with current levels of funding they [children of unauthorized immigrants] won't [become doctors and lawyers] It takes time. The America dream works across multiple generations. Studies show that 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants have much higher income than their parents: for example the median income goes from $45k to $58k from 1st to 2nd generation [1] [1] http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/ http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-...