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Sources for this would be very helpful. Always interested in alternative viewpoints!

by Andrex 9y ago

zapita 9y ago
Here is a recent study of drug consumption room programs across Europe (including the one in Paris), and their impact so far. http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/topics/pods/drug-consumption-rooms http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/topics/pods/drug-consumption-roo... Their analysis seems pretty balanced, and seems to skew positive. It definitely contradicts the negative comment you're responding to.
- chx 9y ago
  The truthiness of that comment can be pretty safely derived from the derisive word "lefty".
boudin 9y ago
I've never seen sources backing up what he says. According to this source results are positive in term of reducing consumption in streets and syringes found in streets. It also allowed to diagnose users with transmissible diseases and provide treatments. Neighbours of the injection site do complain of increase disturbance in the area but it seems due to the fact that it's the only site in Paris. Since the one opened in Paris, another one opened in Strasbourg and one is gonna open in Bordeaux this year http://mobile.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2017/10/12/premiere-salle-de-shoot-un-an-apres-un-bilan-global-positif-selon-la-mairie-de-paris_5199906_3224.html?xtref= http://mobile.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2017/10/12/premiere... There must be a lot more data from sites in Germany, Netherlands and Switzerland that has been opened for much longer.
formol 9y ago
Sources are very hidden : first result page on google (I'm talking for french people) http://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/paris-emotion-apres-la-mort-d-un-homme-pres-de-la-salle-de-shoot-1219672.html http://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/paris-emotion-apres-la-m... http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75010/paris-le-cri-d-alarme-des-riverains-de-la-salle-de-shoot-10-03-2017-6751854.php http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75010/paris-le-cri-d-alarme-d... https://www.google.fr/search?q=riverains+salle+de+shoot&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:y&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjombr2sKDZAhXpBsAKHb3XCXc4ChCnBQge&biw=1409&bih=925 https://www.google.fr/search?q=riverains+salle+de+shoot&sour... to sum up : the neighbours are very unhappy about it. The area was already largely insecure, though (heaven of crack-heads). I don't think the principle of safe site is bad, but it needs a good management team because - by definition - you can't expect any well disciplined behaviour from drug addicts.
- hycaria 9y ago
  I recommend the rue de Maubeuge. It's just miserable, always a few crackheads hanging around and dealing or whatever. In one article [0], I read that the police deliberately don't act there. The videosurveillance is broken atm anyways. Maybe the nurses and the psychological aid they can freely ask for in the shooting room will save these poor souls so we don't need the police to intervene. But I go by everyday and there's no diminution. [0] https://www.streetpress.com/sujet/1463153023-drogue-paris-crack-skenan https://www.streetpress.com/sujet/1463153023-drogue-paris-cr...

Sources for this would be very helpful. Always interested in alternative viewpoints!

by Andrex 9y ago

Sources for this would be very helpful. Always interested in alternative viewpoints!

Here is a recent study of drug consumption room programs across Europe (including the one in Paris), and their impact so far. http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/topics/pods/drug-consumption-rooms http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/topics/pods/drug-consumption-roo... Their analysis seems pretty balanced, and seems to skew positive. It definitely contradicts the negative comment you're responding to.

chx 9y ago
The truthiness of that comment can be pretty safely derived from the derisive word "lefty".

boudin 9y ago

I've never seen sources backing up what he says. According to this source results are positive in term of reducing consumption in streets and syringes found in streets. It also allowed to diagnose users with transmissible diseases and provide treatments. Neighbours of the injection site do complain of increase disturbance in the area but it seems due to the fact that it's the only site in Paris. Since the one opened in Paris, another one opened in Strasbourg and one is gonna open in Bordeaux this year http://mobile.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2017/10/12/premiere-salle-de-shoot-un-an-apres-un-bilan-global-positif-selon-la-mairie-de-paris_5199906_3224.html?xtref= http://mobile.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2017/10/12/premiere... There must be a lot more data from sites in Germany, Netherlands and Switzerland that has been opened for much longer.

formol 9y ago

Sources are very hidden : first result page on google (I'm talking for french people) http://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/paris-emotion-apres-la-mort-d-un-homme-pres-de-la-salle-de-shoot-1219672.html http://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/paris-emotion-apres-la-m... http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75010/paris-le-cri-d-alarme-des-riverains-de-la-salle-de-shoot-10-03-2017-6751854.php http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75010/paris-le-cri-d-alarme-d... https://www.google.fr/search?q=riverains+salle+de+shoot&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:y&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjombr2sKDZAhXpBsAKHb3XCXc4ChCnBQge&biw=1409&bih=925 https://www.google.fr/search?q=riverains+salle+de+shoot&sour... to sum up : the neighbours are very unhappy about it. The area was already largely insecure, though (heaven of crack-heads). I don't think the principle of safe site is bad, but it needs a good management team because - by definition - you can't expect any well disciplined behaviour from drug addicts.

hycaria 9y ago
I recommend the rue de Maubeuge. It's just miserable, always a few crackheads hanging around and dealing or whatever. In one article [0], I read that the police deliberately don't act there. The videosurveillance is broken atm anyways. Maybe the nurses and the psychological aid they can freely ask for in the shooting room will save these poor souls so we don't need the police to intervene. But I go by everyday and there's no diminution. [0] https://www.streetpress.com/sujet/1463153023-drogue-paris-crack-skenan https://www.streetpress.com/sujet/1463153023-drogue-paris-cr...