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> Apple's implementation of sandboxing actually makes computer users less secure. All the good software is distributed away from the App Store, because sandboxe

> Apple's implementation of sandboxing actually makes computer users less secure. All the good software is distributed away from the App Store, because sandboxed apps are far too limited (especially regarding the filesystem). Nonsense. The vast majority of users don't need software that does wacky stuff with the file system. They need software that opens documents they made, which all software in the app store can do. I'm a pro (the kind that currently owns the Mac Pro and will likely own the next one or the iMac Pro next), and I basically avoid all software that's not from the App Store. Your ranting sounds delusional to me.

crankylinuxuser 9y ago
> Nonsense. The vast majority of users don't need software that does wacky stuff with the file system. Uhhhh, what? You're justifying a company you PAID thousands of dollars to remain in control of your device? We're fighting this sort of inane thoughts where these ideas are already executed. Look up John Deere, and the Freedom to Fix. > They need software that opens documents they made, which all software in the app store can do. I'm a pro (the kind that currently owns the Mac Pro and will likely own the next one or the iMac Pro next), and I basically avoid all software that's not from the App Store. Ok. You can choose to or not to. > Your ranting sounds delusional to me. You're calling someone else delusional for calling bullshit on Apple's faux-security? And you're calling for the app-ification of all computers? The person calling bullshit on Apple-faux-security isn't the delusional one here.
- sbuk 9y ago
  “You're justifying a company you PAID thousands of dollars to remain in control of your device?“ This is the bit that you FOSS diehards don’t get. Nobody really cares. What they want is something that they can switch on and go to Facebook or edit their documents on. They don’t want to tinker with kernel exstentions or run servers. For most, computing appliances are far more convenient.
  - tripzilch 9y ago
    Nobody really cares? You know, we're on this forum called hackernews? You might want to pack up that opinion and take it to some place called "consumernews" or something (they might call it "productnews" these days). That is where nobody really cares. While most of the "FOSS diehards" get it just fine. People want convenience. It's not that hard to understand and you're making yourself look like a fool if that's your claim. Doesn't mean convenience is the right way forward, even if people want it or don't care. Since when is "people don't care" a viable argument for anything, the people that don't care, don't understand this.
    - sbuk 9y ago
      “Since when is "people don't care" a viable argument for anything, the people that don't care, don't understand this.” So climb down from your ivory tower and make them understand without reverting the usual rhetoric as you have done here.
apple4ever 9y ago
> The vast majority of users don't need software that does wacky stuff with the file system. Its not about "wacky stuff" its about basic things. Apps in the AppStore are horribly crippled compared to their not AppStore counterparts. I'm a pro, and like many other pros, basically avoid all software from the AppStore.

crankylinuxuser 9y ago

> Nonsense. The vast majority of users don't need software that does wacky stuff with the file system. Uhhhh, what? You're justifying a company you PAID thousands of dollars to remain in control of your device? We're fighting this sort of inane thoughts where these ideas are already executed. Look up John Deere, and the Freedom to Fix. > They need software that opens documents they made, which all software in the app store can do. I'm a pro (the kind that currently owns the Mac Pro and will likely own the next one or the iMac Pro next), and I basically avoid all software that's not from the App Store. Ok. You can choose to or not to. > Your ranting sounds delusional to me. You're calling someone else delusional for calling bullshit on Apple's faux-security? And you're calling for the app-ification of all computers? The person calling bullshit on Apple-faux-security isn't the delusional one here.

sbuk 9y ago
“You're justifying a company you PAID thousands of dollars to remain in control of your device?“ This is the bit that you FOSS diehards don’t get. Nobody really cares. What they want is something that they can switch on and go to Facebook or edit their documents on. They don’t want to tinker with kernel exstentions or run servers. For most, computing appliances are far more convenient.
- tripzilch 9y ago
  Nobody really cares? You know, we're on this forum called hackernews? You might want to pack up that opinion and take it to some place called "consumernews" or something (they might call it "productnews" these days). That is where nobody really cares. While most of the "FOSS diehards" get it just fine. People want convenience. It's not that hard to understand and you're making yourself look like a fool if that's your claim. Doesn't mean convenience is the right way forward, even if people want it or don't care. Since when is "people don't care" a viable argument for anything, the people that don't care, don't understand this.
  - sbuk 9y ago
    “Since when is "people don't care" a viable argument for anything, the people that don't care, don't understand this.” So climb down from your ivory tower and make them understand without reverting the usual rhetoric as you have done here.

apple4ever 9y ago

> The vast majority of users don't need software that does wacky stuff with the file system. Its not about "wacky stuff" its about basic things. Apps in the AppStore are horribly crippled compared to their not AppStore counterparts. I'm a pro, and like many other pros, basically avoid all software from the AppStore.