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I interpreted your “which was the supplier’s fault, of course” as sarcasm, from using the same phrase for Ireland. Poe’s law strikes! If in fact you weren’t bei

I interpreted your “which was the supplier’s fault, of course” as sarcasm, from using the same phrase for Ireland. Poe’s law strikes! If in fact you weren’t being sarcastic, then I apologize. It’s true that Apple benefitted cost-wise, but note that this deal was generally available (in direction, if not magnitude) to most of Qualcomm’s customers, so I was more making the point that Apple wasn’t particularly special in taking the best deal on offer; they’re more unusual in fighting against Qualcomm.

jimnotgym 9y ago
No I apologise, I think I was being at least half sarcastic. I fully recognize that Apple didn't legally do anything wrong by taking Qualcomm up on a deal which was clearly in breach of competition rules for Qualcomm to offer. However it could only be market abuse due to Apple's size and dominance in the phone/tablet field, and it is also true to say that Apple would have known that the deal they were being offered was unlawful. If they had offered this deal to my kickstarter single board computer project it would have been insignificant. Apple do not have clean hands in this. >they’re more unusual in fighting against Qualcomm. Yes, but didn't this begin in an argument over the size of the rebate they were due? I may be wrong in supposing it was a primary factor. Either way this is after they benefited for some years. I feel like we are agreeing, but emphasizing different areas?
- systoll 9y ago
  There are a lot of cases regarding Qualcomm's licensing scheme, but the 'fighting qualcomm' came first. In 2015, the Korean FTC launched an antitrust suit against Qualcomm & Apple testified in it. Qualcomm said that Apple mislead & withheld information from the KFTC. They've also stated that this breeches the terms of their licensing agreement, and Qualcomm hasn't given Apple any rebates since. Apple disagrees, and in January 2016, they sued Qualcomm over it. Put simply, their argument was that they were owed all the withheld rebates, because they hadn't broken Qualcomm's terms. The anti-trust implications of the license were mentioned, but weren't really the point. The broader anti-trust suit in the US was brought by the FTC just a couple of days prior, so a lot of news blended the two together. Apple, provided information in the FTC's case, and Qualcomm has sued Apple over that too.

jimnotgym 9y ago

No I apologise, I think I was being at least half sarcastic. I fully recognize that Apple didn't legally do anything wrong by taking Qualcomm up on a deal which was clearly in breach of competition rules for Qualcomm to offer. However it could only be market abuse due to Apple's size and dominance in the phone/tablet field, and it is also true to say that Apple would have known that the deal they were being offered was unlawful. If they had offered this deal to my kickstarter single board computer project it would have been insignificant. Apple do not have clean hands in this. >they’re more unusual in fighting against Qualcomm. Yes, but didn't this begin in an argument over the size of the rebate they were due? I may be wrong in supposing it was a primary factor. Either way this is after they benefited for some years. I feel like we are agreeing, but emphasizing different areas?

systoll 9y ago
There are a lot of cases regarding Qualcomm's licensing scheme, but the 'fighting qualcomm' came first. In 2015, the Korean FTC launched an antitrust suit against Qualcomm & Apple testified in it. Qualcomm said that Apple mislead & withheld information from the KFTC. They've also stated that this breeches the terms of their licensing agreement, and Qualcomm hasn't given Apple any rebates since. Apple disagrees, and in January 2016, they sued Qualcomm over it. Put simply, their argument was that they were owed all the withheld rebates, because they hadn't broken Qualcomm's terms. The anti-trust implications of the license were mentioned, but weren't really the point. The broader anti-trust suit in the US was brought by the FTC just a couple of days prior, so a lot of news blended the two together. Apple, provided information in the FTC's case, and Qualcomm has sued Apple over that too.