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What are they gonna do, arrest people for voicing their opinions?

by trisimix 9y ago

dilap 9y ago
Yeah, this happens quite routinely in the UK now.
- AndrewOMartin 9y ago
  Citation needed, or please reduce the phrase "quite routinely" to something less hyperbolic. People have been sent to prison for abuse on twitter, but that doesn't count as voicing an opinion.
  - dnautics 9y ago
    To play devil's advocate: why not?
  - Yetanfou 9y ago
    Here you go, although you could easily have found this yourself by searching for 'uk arrests free speech': https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-peo... As this article lies behind a paywall I'll give you the choice of two regurgitated versions. You might not like the sources but if you ignore that and just look at the content you'll survive the ordeal. RT: https://www.rt.com/uk/406467-hate-crime-twitter-troll/ https://www.rt.com/uk/406467-hate-crime-twitter-troll/ Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-f...
- ataturk 9y ago
  Which to me points to an insidious problem that we should not be so blasee about--why is speech suppression going on in the first place? Why is it now illegal to speak out against certain ethnic groups or religious adherents fomenting violence in our cities and towns? Why is calling out the truth such a revolutionary and dangerous act that it is more serious than the actual physical violence taking place? I look at what's going on at US campuses with great displeasure. It was the long game that he leftists played to take over our institutions and use their programming to convince people of social facts that are outright lies and misdirections. I see the children on those campuses who have very little understanding of history having been led, wanting to do good, but who are ending up doing such great harm to themselves and others. The worst thing about it is that those people are all so expendable--I won't use the common term, but it rings true here. Who did the Bolsheviks murder first as soon as they took control? The very same people that fomented the revolution in the first place! The street thugs and the organizers. I'm not saying it will happen in the US, but there are some pretty astounding parallels. I really think that free speech in the US is going to beat back the attacks on it, but I could be wrong. The only reason to silence someone is if your ideas are so bad that they can't withstand the rays of sunlight. Marx's ideas are like that. Eugenics was like that. The reason these groups have gained so much power is because their opponents simply want to be left alone and not be forced to engage in defense against these idiotic attacks. It turns out liberty requires an active campaign of its own. I don't personally buy into any of the ultra-liberal SJW programming. I was well subjected to it during my time in higher education and has only gotten about 10X worse since the late 1990s. I reject it out of hand--utterly. If a fight is what they are after, a fight they shall have. I won't live under their thumb, there's not a single reason in the universe to adhere to such stupidity.
bkohlmann 9y ago
Within the US, it happened in the late 18th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts And during WWI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

What are they gonna do, arrest people for voicing their opinions?

dilap 9y ago

Yeah, this happens quite routinely in the UK now.

AndrewOMartin 9y ago
Citation needed, or please reduce the phrase "quite routinely" to something less hyperbolic. People have been sent to prison for abuse on twitter, but that doesn't count as voicing an opinion.
- dnautics 9y ago
  To play devil's advocate: why not?
- Yetanfou 9y ago
  Here you go, although you could easily have found this yourself by searching for 'uk arrests free speech': https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-peo... As this article lies behind a paywall I'll give you the choice of two regurgitated versions. You might not like the sources but if you ignore that and just look at the content you'll survive the ordeal. RT: https://www.rt.com/uk/406467-hate-crime-twitter-troll/ https://www.rt.com/uk/406467-hate-crime-twitter-troll/ Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-f...
ataturk 9y ago
Which to me points to an insidious problem that we should not be so blasee about--why is speech suppression going on in the first place? Why is it now illegal to speak out against certain ethnic groups or religious adherents fomenting violence in our cities and towns? Why is calling out the truth such a revolutionary and dangerous act that it is more serious than the actual physical violence taking place? I look at what's going on at US campuses with great displeasure. It was the long game that he leftists played to take over our institutions and use their programming to convince people of social facts that are outright lies and misdirections. I see the children on those campuses who have very little understanding of history having been led, wanting to do good, but who are ending up doing such great harm to themselves and others. The worst thing about it is that those people are all so expendable--I won't use the common term, but it rings true here. Who did the Bolsheviks murder first as soon as they took control? The very same people that fomented the revolution in the first place! The street thugs and the organizers. I'm not saying it will happen in the US, but there are some pretty astounding parallels. I really think that free speech in the US is going to beat back the attacks on it, but I could be wrong. The only reason to silence someone is if your ideas are so bad that they can't withstand the rays of sunlight. Marx's ideas are like that. Eugenics was like that. The reason these groups have gained so much power is because their opponents simply want to be left alone and not be forced to engage in defense against these idiotic attacks. It turns out liberty requires an active campaign of its own. I don't personally buy into any of the ultra-liberal SJW programming. I was well subjected to it during my time in higher education and has only gotten about 10X worse since the late 1990s. I reject it out of hand--utterly. If a fight is what they are after, a fight they shall have. I won't live under their thumb, there's not a single reason in the universe to adhere to such stupidity.

bkohlmann 9y ago

Within the US, it happened in the late 18th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts And during WWI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918