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I'd rephrase as, differently socialized rather than poorly. In the end, all social custom is essentially convention based anyway, so it seems silly to apply val

I'd rephrase as, differently socialized rather than poorly. In the end, all social custom is essentially convention based anyway, so it seems silly to apply value judgements.

IntronExon 9y ago
We live in an increasingly connected world, and one in which people may struggle to find income only in their local region. If you’re only socialized in a way which allows you to interact with your neighbors, I would call that poorly socialized.
wutbrodo 9y ago
Sure, but I'm not applying value judgments. Being out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize (and reproduce, in this context) doesn't have anything to do with one's worth as a human IMO. It's like saying someone is in poor health instead of saying they're in "different health"; there's a fairly unambiguous metric to anchor to.
- darkerside 9y ago
  "Poorly" socialized is a value judgment. Not on worth as a human being, but a value judgment all the same. Some people are out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize/reproduce with YOU and the people YOU associate with. That doesn't make them poorly socialized. Except from a very limited perspective (yours).
  - wutbrodo 9y ago
    No, it's not. Socialization is defined as getting along with those around you in some basic ways. If you don't do that so well, then you're poorly socialized. Everyone around you could be shitty people and you could be a saint (by whatever definitions you prefer), and you'd still be the poorly-socialized one, because absolute moral judgments are irrelevant for what we're talking about. > Some people are out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize/reproduce with YOU and the people YOU associate with. For the love of God, have you even read any of the thread you're commenting in? Literally one comment down from my original comment, I claim that it's inaccurate to call trailer park residents poorly socialized because they socialize fine with those in their environment. Because (for the third time now), socialization is defined relative to your surroundings. If you dropped me in the ancient Sumeria or medieval Japan or Cairo in 2291, I would likely be incredibly poorly socialized. > Some people are out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize/reproduce with YOU and the people YOU associate with. That doesn't make them poorly socialized. Except from a very limited perspective (yours). Don't project your own narrow-mindedness onto others when they haven't said anything remotely close to what you're ascribing to them. Limited perspective, indeed.

I'd rephrase as, differently socialized rather than poorly. In the end, all social custom is essentially convention based anyway, so it seems silly to apply value judgements.

IntronExon 9y ago

We live in an increasingly connected world, and one in which people may struggle to find income only in their local region. If you’re only socialized in a way which allows you to interact with your neighbors, I would call that poorly socialized.

wutbrodo 9y ago

Sure, but I'm not applying value judgments. Being out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize (and reproduce, in this context) doesn't have anything to do with one's worth as a human IMO. It's like saying someone is in poor health instead of saying they're in "different health"; there's a fairly unambiguous metric to anchor to.

darkerside 9y ago
"Poorly" socialized is a value judgment. Not on worth as a human being, but a value judgment all the same. Some people are out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize/reproduce with YOU and the people YOU associate with. That doesn't make them poorly socialized. Except from a very limited perspective (yours).
- wutbrodo 9y ago
  No, it's not. Socialization is defined as getting along with those around you in some basic ways. If you don't do that so well, then you're poorly socialized. Everyone around you could be shitty people and you could be a saint (by whatever definitions you prefer), and you'd still be the poorly-socialized one, because absolute moral judgments are irrelevant for what we're talking about. > Some people are out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize/reproduce with YOU and the people YOU associate with. For the love of God, have you even read any of the thread you're commenting in? Literally one comment down from my original comment, I claim that it's inaccurate to call trailer park residents poorly socialized because they socialize fine with those in their environment. Because (for the third time now), socialization is defined relative to your surroundings. If you dropped me in the ancient Sumeria or medieval Japan or Cairo in 2291, I would likely be incredibly poorly socialized. > Some people are out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize/reproduce with YOU and the people YOU associate with. That doesn't make them poorly socialized. Except from a very limited perspective (yours). Don't project your own narrow-mindedness onto others when they haven't said anything remotely close to what you're ascribing to them. Limited perspective, indeed.