> once you give people that social welfare OK, I don't disagree with what you're saying necessarily, but I'm not convinced that social welfare is by any means

> once you give people that social welfare OK, I don't disagree with what you're saying necessarily, but I'm not convinced that social welfare is by any means biggest way we're wasting money, nor that it's necessarily causing some huge social dysfunction that would magically fix itself if we "trimmed the bloat". I think it's just hard for a lot of people to procure enough resources to comfortably live in this society, so we have to decide how to best deal with that. > Get rid of the rich-person welfare Great idea. How do you propose to do that? > your government gives the poorest some money ..., then the rich siphon it off for themselves.