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Only if this impacts reproductive fitness.
by IntronExon 9y ago
Only if this impacts reproductive fitness.
- wutbrodo 9y agoI would imagine that it's not implausible that being poorly socialized impacts reproductive success, particularly for men.
- IntronExon 9y agoThe reproductive rates in trailer parks suggests otherwise. Poor socialization doesn’t hurt you as long as poorly socialized members of the opposite sex are available.
- wutbrodo 9y agoWhat does living in a trailer park have to do with being poorly socialized? Their social environment (and thus the standards of socialization) includes plenty of other people who live in trailer parks... So this is practically by definition false. We're talking about things like hikikomori or "incels", not just some general sense of "lower class".
- IntronExon 9y agoIf your standard for “poorly socialized” is hikikomori and “incels” then you’re worrying about such a minute minority that it isn’t worth addressing. I would also call both of those groups much more than poorly socialized; they’re on a spectrum from disturbed, to profoundly mentally ill.
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y agoI still don't understand what leads you to believe residents of a trailer park are poorly socialized.
- aianus 9y agoMen who have trouble getting laid are a ‘disturbed minute minority’ now? Have you ever been in a freshman CS class? Yeesh.
- IntronExon 9y agoIncel is not “men who have trouble getting laid.” And you know it.
- wutbrodo 9y agoSure, hikikomori are an extreme example, but extreme examples are useful when someone is having trouble understanding a concept. I thought you were perhaps able to extrapolate that I didn't literally mean _only_ people as extreme as those examples, but everything on the continuous spectrum from there to "well-socialized".
- darkerside 9y agoI'd rephrase as, differently socialized rather than poorly. In the end, all social custom is essentially convention based anyway, so it seems silly to apply value judgements.
- IntronExon 9y agoWe live in an increasingly connected world, and one in which people may struggle to find income only in their local region. If you’re only socialized in a way which allows you to interact with your neighbors, I would call that poorly socialized.
- wutbrodo 9y agoSure, but I'm not applying value judgments. Being out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize (and reproduce, in this context) doesn't have anything to do with one's worth as a human IMO. It's like saying someone is in poor health instead of saying they're in "different health"; there's a fairly unambiguous metric to anchor to.
- darkerside 9y ago"Poorly" socialized is a value judgment. Not on worth as a human being, but a value judgment all the same. Some people are out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize/reproduce with YOU and the people YOU associate with. That doesn't make them poorly socialized. Except from a very limited perspective (yours).
- wutbrodo 9y agoNo, it's not. Socialization is defined as getting along with those around you in some basic ways. If you don't do that so well, then you're poorly socialized. Everyone around you could be shitty people and you could be a saint (by whatever definitions you prefer), and you'd still be the poorly-socialized one, because absolute moral judgments are irrelevant for what we're talking about. > Some people are out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize/reproduce with YOU and the people YOU associate with. For the love of God, have you even read any of the thread you're commenting in? Literally one comment down from my original comment, I claim that it's inaccurate to call trailer park residents poorly socialized because they socialize fine with those in their environment. Because (for the third time now), socialization is defined relative to your surroundings. If you dropped me in the ancient Sumeria or medieval Japan or Cairo in 2291, I would likely be incredibly poorly socialized. > Some people are out of sync with the behaviors required to socialize/reproduce with YOU and the people YOU associate with. That doesn't make them poorly socialized. Except from a very limited perspective (yours). Don't project your own narrow-mindedness onto others when they haven't said anything remotely close to what you're ascribing to them. Limited perspective, indeed.